Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 15:22:18 11/01/05
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On November 01, 2005 at 10:44:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>On November 01, 2005 at 10:17:21, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On November 01, 2005 at 08:16:47, Ryan B. wrote:
>>
>>>On November 01, 2005 at 07:15:58, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:59:32, Ryan B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 01, 2005 at 04:38:38, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I beat Fruit 2.2 more often than I beat Prodeo. In the human world of chess it
>>>>>takes a lot more than a few mobility factors and placing pieces in the center to
>>>>>have a positional style. Fruit is a very good engine but it is better at
>>>>>beating computers than humans in my experiance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ryan
>>>>
>>>>Another human claiming he can beat one of our top programs, without posted the
>>>>games. Doesnt the charter say that if you claim to beat the top programs, you
>>>>must post some of the games? I think the charter says it is ok not to post games
>>>>where human beat Diep or Movei.
>>>>
>>>>kburcham
>>>
>>>Wow at least give me some time to respond before calling for moderation. I just
>>>said I have beaten Fruit, I did not claim to be better than it or that I am some
>>>sort of computer killer. Anywhay here is a quick king safty win. Resign value
>>>was at -6. Thanks and have a nice day I guess. Just don't have me moderated
>>>for playing chess...
>>>
>>>[Event "Computer chess game"]
>>>[Site "localhost.localdomain"]
>>>[Date "2005.10.30"]
>>>[Round "-"]
>>>[White "Fruit 2.2"]
>>>[Black "Ryan"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[TimeControl "40/180"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8.
>>>Qd2 Nbd7 9. g4 Nb6 10. Qf2 Nfd7 11. O-O-O Bb7 12. Kb1 Rc8 13. h4 Be7 14. a3
>>>O-O 15. h5 h6 16. Nb3 Rxc3 17. bxc3 Qc7 18. Bd2 d5 19. Na5 dxe4 20. Nxb7
>>>Qxb7 21. fxe4 Nc5 22. Bd3 Nc4 23. Ka1 Na4 24. g5 Bxg5 25. Bxc4 Qe7 26. Ba2
>>>Qxa3 27. Rb1 Nxc3 28. Bxc3 Qxc3+ 29. Rb2 Bf6 30. Rb1 Rd8 31. Qe1 Rd2 32.
>>>Bb3 Qa5+ 33. Ba2 Bc3 34. Qg1 Qa3 35. Qc1
>>>{White resigns} 0-1
>>
>>What´s up with 15...h6?
>>Why not 15...Rxc3 immediately?
>
>Maybe because 16.Nb3 Rxc3 is clearly better for black relative to 15...Rxc3.
16.Nb3? is a weak move.
>Why to play 15...Rxc3 immediatly when it is possible to play it in better
>conditions after a mistake of the opponent?
Because you can´t and you shouldn´t expect a mistake of your opponent.
Unless he knew Fruit 2.2 will play 16.Nb3 of course.
>After 15...Rxc3 16.bxc3 the advantage of black is very small
No, the advantage is obviously very big after 15...Rxc3 16.bxc3 d5 17.h6 g6.
This is not only _my_ opinion:
3q1rk1/1b1nbp1p/pn2p1pP/1p1p4/3NP1P1/P1P1BP2/2P2Q2/1K1R1B1R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder 9:
3.exd5
µ (-0.87) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00
3.exd5
µ (-0.87) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00
3.Kb2
µ (-0.85) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00
3.Kb2
µ (-0.85) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00
3.c4
µ (-0.82) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00
3.c4
µ (-0.71) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00
3.c4 bxc4 4.exd5
µ (-0.71) Depth: 2/4 00:00:00
3.c4 bxc4
µ (-0.96) Depth: 3/10 00:00:00
3.c4 e5 4.Nb3
µ (-0.98) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00
3.g5
µ (-0.97) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00
3.g5 Bxa3 4.Bg2
µ (-0.88) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00
3.g5 Bxa3
µ (-1.13) Depth: 4/10 00:00:00
3.g5 Na4 4.Qd2 Bxa3
-+ (-1.56) Depth: 4/15 00:00:00
3.c4
-+ (-1.50) Depth: 4/15 00:00:00
3.c4 e5 4.Nb3 d4
µ (-1.16) Depth: 4/15 00:00:00
3.c4 e5
-+ (-1.41) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00
3.c4 e5 4.Nb3 d4 5.Bc1
-+ (-1.52) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00
3.g5
-+ (-1.51) Depth: 5/13 00:00:00
3.g5 Na4 4.Qd2 Bxa3 5.Bg2
-+ (-1.42) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00
3.Be2
-+ (-1.41) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00
3.Be2
-+ (-1.41) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00
3.Ka2
µ (-1.40) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00
3.Ka2 Qc7 4.Nb3 Na4 5.c4
µ (-1.25) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00
3.Ka2 Qc7
-+ (-1.50) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00
3.Ka2 Qc7 4.Nb3 Na4 5.Bd4 e5
-+ (-1.56) Depth: 6/20 00:00:00
3.c4
-+ (-1.55) Depth: 6/20 00:00:00
3.c4 e5 4.cxd5 exd4 5.Bxd4 Bxa3
µ (-1.36) Depth: 6/20 00:00:00
3.c4 e5 4.cxd5 exd4 5.Bxd4 Bxa3 6.Be2
µ (-1.21) Depth: 7/18 00:00:00 83kN
3.c4 e5
-+ (-1.46) Depth: 8/21 00:00:00 161kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2 e5 5.Ne2 d4 6.Bc1 Nc5 7.Bg2
-+ (-1.49) Depth: 8/23 00:00:00 184kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ne2 Bxa3 5.Bxb6 Nxb6 6.Qd4 f6 7.Bg2
-+ (-1.69) Depth: 9/21 00:00:01 396kN
3.Bg2
-+ (-1.68) Depth: 9/25 00:00:01 655kN
3.Bg2 Qc7 4.g5 Bxa3 5.Bc1 Bd6
-+ (-1.68) Depth: 9/25 00:00:01 663kN
3.Bd3
-+ (-1.67) Depth: 9/27 00:00:02 823kN
3.Bd3 Na4 4.Ne2
-+ (-1.55) Depth: 9/27 00:00:02 854kN
3.Bd3 Qc7 4.Bc1
-+ (-1.56) Depth: 10/25 00:00:03 1085kN
3.Bd3 Qc7 4.Ne2 Bxa3 5.exd5 Bxd5
-+ (-1.60) Depth: 11/29 00:00:05 1896kN
3.Bd3 Qc7 4.Ne2 Bxa3 5.g5 Na4 6.Bc1 Bc5 7.Be3 Be7 8.c4 bxc4
-+ (-1.75) Depth: 12/29 00:00:08 3150kN
3.c4
-+ (-1.74) Depth: 12/29 00:00:10 3973kN
3.c4 bxc4
-+ (-1.74) Depth: 12/29 00:00:10 4191kN
3.Ne2
-+ (-1.73) Depth: 12/35 00:00:17 7210kN
3.Ne2 Qc7 4.Bg2 Nc4 5.Bc1 Bc5 6.Qg3 Qa5 7.exd5
-+ (-1.73) Depth: 12/35 00:00:18 7314kN
3.Ne2 Qc7 4.Qg3 Bd6 5.Bf4 e5 6.Bc1 Qc4 7.Bb2 Rc8 8.Nd4 Qa4 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.c4
-+ (-1.92) Depth: 13/34 00:00:21 8577kN
3.Bd3
-+ (-1.91) Depth: 13/34 00:00:21 8788kN
3.Bd3 Nc4 4.a4 Nxe3 5.Qxe3 bxa4 6.exd5 Bxd5 7.c4 Qb6+ 8.Ka2 Bc5 9.cxd5 Bxd4
10.Qc1 exd5 11.Rhe1
-+ (-1.77) Depth: 13/34 00:00:29 11861kN
3.c4
-+ (-1.76) Depth: 13/34 00:00:30 12656kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2 Qc7 5.Ne2 e5
-+ (-1.76) Depth: 13/34 00:00:31 13070kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ne2 Bxa3 5.Ka2 Bb4 6.c3 Ba5 7.Qh4 dxe4 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bxb6 Bxb6
-+ (-1.90) Depth: 14/33 00:00:41 17208kN
3.Bd3
-+ (-1.89) Depth: 14/34 00:00:46 18987kN
3.Bd3 Bxa3
-+ (-1.89) Depth: 14/38 00:00:55 23056kN
3.Bg2
-+ (-1.88) Depth: 14/38 00:01:06 27304kN
3.Bg2 Nc4 4.Bc1 Qc7 5.g5 Bc5 6.exd5
-+ (-1.85) Depth: 14/38 00:01:10 29206kN
3.Bg2 Bxa3 4.Bc1 Be7 5.g5 Qc7 6.Ne2 Rc8 7.Rhe1 Na4 8.exd5
-+ (-1.89) Depth: 15/35 00:01:41 41844kN
3.c4
-+ (-1.88) Depth: 15/37 00:01:47 44471kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ne2 Bxa3 5.Ka2 Bb4 6.c3 Ba5 7.Bc5 Re8
-+ (-1.88) Depth: 15/37 00:01:50 45366kN
3.Bc1 Qc7 4.Bg2 Nc4 5.g5 Bc5 6.exd5
-+ (-1.85) Depth: 15/38 00:02:14 55305kN
3.Bc1 Qc7 4.Bg2 Nc4 5.g5 Bc5 6.exd5
-+ (-1.85) Depth: 15/38 00:02:14 55338kN
3.Bc1 Qc7 4.Bg2 Nc4 5.g5 Bc5 6.exd5
-+ (-1.85) Depth: 16/23 00:02:14 55438kN
3q1rk1/1b1nbp1p/pn2p1pP/1p1p4/3NP1P1/P1P1BP2/2P2Q2/1K1R1B1R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Fritz 9:
3.f4 Na4 4.Qe1
µ (-0.71) Depth: 6/25 00:00:00 154kN
3.f4 Na4 4.Qe1 Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 6.Ka1 Bxa3
³ (-0.48) Depth: 7/29 00:00:00 207kN
3.f4 Na4 4.Qe1 Bxa3 5.e5 Qa5 6.Rd3 Rc8
³ (-0.70) Depth: 8/29 00:00:00 300kN
3.f4 Na4 4.Qe1 Bxa3 5.e5 Qc7 6.c4 Nb2 7.cxb5 Nxd1 8.Qxd1
µ (-0.80) Depth: 9/31 00:00:01 896kN
3.f4 Na4 4.Qd2 Bxa3 5.c4 bxc4 6.Ka2 c3 7.Qd3 Bb2
µ (-1.06) Depth: 10/34 00:00:04 3888kN
3.c4!
µ (-1.06) Depth: 10/34 00:00:09 8636kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2 e5 5.Ne2 Qc7 6.Rb1 Qd6 7.Bc1 dxe4 8.Bg2 Qf6
µ (-0.96) Depth: 10/34 00:00:10 9832kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2 e5 5.Ne2 Qc7 6.Rb1 Qd6 7.Bc1 dxe4 8.Bg2 Qf6
µ (-0.96) Depth: 11/34 00:00:16 16079kN
3.c4--
µ (-1.24) Depth: 12/36 00:00:29 29394kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2
µ (-1.24) Depth: 12/42 00:00:32 32703kN
3.c4 bxc4 4.Ka2 dxe4 5.Rb1 Qc7 6.Bg2 Nd5 7.Ne2 exf3 8.Bxf3 f6 9.Rhf1
-+ (-1.44) Depth: 13/40 00:02:37 163947kN
Michael
>Fruit 2.2 - Ryan, Computer chess game 2005
>[D]3q1rk1/1b1nbppp/pn1pp3/1p5P/3NP1P1/P1P1BP2/2P2Q2/1K1R1B1R b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:
>
>16...Ne5
> ± (1.08) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00
>16...Ne5 17.Nxb5 axb5 18.Bxb6
> +- (1.42) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00
>16...Nc4 17.Bxc4 bxc4
> ± (1.13) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00
>16...Na4 17.Qe1
> ± (1.05) Depth: 2/10 00:00:00
>16...Na4 17.Qe1 Ne5
> ± (1.10) Depth: 3/10 00:00:00
>16...Na4 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.h6 Nxc3+ 19.Bxc3 Qxc3 20.hxg7 Kxg7
> ± (0.76) Depth: 4/13 00:00:00
>16...Na4 17.Ne2 d5 18.h6 Bxa3 19.hxg7 Kxg7
> ± (1.07) Depth: 5/16 00:00:00
>16...Na4 17.Ne2 h6 18.Bf4 d5 19.Qa7
> ± (0.81) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 26kN
>16...Na4 17.Ne2 h6 18.Bf4 Qc7 19.Bg2 Ne5
> ± (0.85) Depth: 7/22 00:00:00 52kN
>16...Na4 17.Bd2 Qc7 18.h6 Nxc3+ 19.Bxc3 Qxc3 20.hxg7 Kxg7 21.Rd3 Qc4 22.Qd2
> ± (0.82) Depth: 8/24 00:00:01 170kN
>16...Na4 17.Ne2 h6 18.Bf4 Qc7 19.Qa7 Ra8 20.Qd4 Ne5
> ² (0.59) Depth: 9/27 00:00:01 494kN
>16...Na4 17.Bd2 Qb6 18.Qe1 d5 19.h6 g6 20.g5 Bxa3 21.Bf4
> ² (0.66) Depth: 10/31 00:00:01 1134kN
>16...d5 17.h6 g6 18.exd5 Bxd5 19.Bd3 Bxa3 20.Bc1 Bd6 21.g5 Nc4
> ² (0.38) Depth: 10/32 00:00:04 2761kN
>16...d5 17.h6 g6 18.Bd3 Na4 19.Bd2 e5 20.Nb3 Bxa3 21.g5 dxe4 22.fxe4
> ² (0.51) Depth: 11/34 00:00:06 4336kN
>16...h6 17.c4 Nxc4 18.Bxc4 bxc4 19.Ka2 Qc7 20.Bf4 Rb8 21.Rb1 Nc5 22.c3
> ² (0.32) Depth: 11/34 00:00:16 9597kN
>16...h6 17.c4 bxc4 18.Bd2 d5 19.exd5 Bxd5 20.Bb4 a5 21.Bxa5 Bxa3 22.Nb5 Bc5
> ² (0.36) Depth: 12/34 00:00:22 13156kN
>16...h6 17.c4 bxc4 18.Ka2 d5 19.Rb1 dxe4 20.Ne2 exf3 21.Nc1 Bd5 22.Bxb6 c3+
>23.Ka1 Nxb6 24.Rxb6 Bxa3 25.Bxa6
> = (0.22) Depth: 13/38 00:00:43 26052kN
>16...h6 17.c4 bxc4 18.Ka2 d5 19.Rb1 dxe4 20.Ne2 exf3 21.Nc1 Bd5 22.Bxb6 c3+
>23.Ka1 Nxb6 24.Rxb6 Bxa3 25.Bxa6
> = (0.22) Depth: 14/42 00:01:33 53100kN
>16...d5 17.h6 g6 18.Bd3 Na4 19.Ne2 Bxa3 20.exd5 Bxd5 21.Be4 Bc4 22.Bd3 Bd5
> = (0.00) Depth: 14/43 00:03:02 99305kN
>16...d5 17.h6 g6 18.Bd3 Na4 19.Ne2 Bxa3 20.exd5 Bxd5 21.Be4 Bc4 22.Bd3 Bd5
> = (0.00) Depth: 15/44 00:04:30 152215kN
>16...d5 17.h6 g6 18.Bc1 dxe4 19.fxe4 Bxe4 20.Bg2 Bxg2 21.Qxg2 Qc7 22.g5 Ne5
>23.Qg3 Nbc4 24.Nf3 Rc8 25.Nxe5 Qxe5
> = (-0.13) Depth: 16/51 00:11:03 398917kN
>
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