Author: Mark Young
Date: 23:24:02 03/16/99
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On March 17, 1999 at 00:01:44, KarinsDad wrote: >Mark, > >I read all of the rhetoric posted here and went to your account and pulled down >the information at the bottom of this message. > >Frankly, it appears to be a misunderstanding to me. > >Based on the times in question (when you sent your messages to OliB and when you >played the games), there are several items of contention. > >1) There were 10 wins in a row, not 11 (minor). >2) The history shows that you played 14 games before you sent your message to >OliB. Correct I tried to work this out with the other admins online first, I ask if I could keep playing as they worked out why I could not play the other programs online.. I talked to the head programmer and admin who was also online, and he was talking to Checkonedo because Checkonedo would not tell me why I could not play the other programs, and the other admin did not know why either, and he said to me "winning is not a Crime" "I'm not sure what the problem is". So this admin was talking to Checkonedo for me. And trying to help. > >It would appear that you had 12 wins, 1 loss, and 1 draw before you sent this >message. It would also appear that from the message, you and CheckOneDo had sent >several tells before that. No I think I was talking to the other admin online, Checkonedo would not talk to me and explain why this action would be taken. Now if what Mr. Boehm says is correct, I could see >where CheckOneDo thought you were using a computer on a non-computer account >(without the (C) ) This is wrong Checkonedo Knew I was a computer and what program I was using because of my finger notes. I also signed up as a computer account, the delay was theirs, and this was never a problem to them or did they ask me to ever log off. This was never the issue. This is a smoke screen. , then I could see where he would have been bothered by that. He was not bothered by that, I was told by Checkonedo what bothered them. Checkonedo told me "Hiarcs 7 is too strong for this server" And I was not to play any of the Chess4You computer accounts. > >If he did ask you to logoff and log back on OR if he asked you if you were using >a computer AND you missed a message of either of these types since you were >playing fast games, I could see why he would resign your game for you after you >played a human with it (wouldn’t you do that if you suspected a cheater?) I was not an expected cheater, I had in my finger notes that I was hiarcs7 on a PII 450. I was never ask to log off...This is a smoke screen. My name is also DoomsDayMACHINE.....I did not hide at all who I was. . > >You mentioned in one of your posts that he observed your games. Maybe he thought >you were a cheater and killed your game No remember he know I was a computer, He said by name I could no longer use Hiarcs7 on this account because it was too strong. I played the last game with permission or so I thought of the owner of the server that I could play the computer accounts, only to have my game resigned at move 10. That was the last straw and I asked for help to the Head of admins before I logged off in that message I wrote. Right after I had my Game resigned by Checkonedo, I did try to talk to the admins online but they would no longer talk to me, So I wrote my last complaint to OliB and Left. As you see, I never did get any help from them to my Message....I wonder why...... I tried to work it out, but I could only get a cold response or no response, So I am here telling the story to the net... There was no mistake....... (and that may also be the reason he >supposedly dropped your rating). Or maybe he was annoyed since he asked you to >logoff and log back on and you didn't. I was never asked to log off, and as seen from my message to OilB this was not the issue. And what does logging off have to do with saying Hiarcs7 can no longer play other programs on Chess4You.. > >3) Mr. Boehm’s statement that you were not banned is truthful since I was able >to get in with your account (I realize that you stated this in a separate >posting). I am not Banned from chess4you....if you read my posting I said Hiarcs7 was banned from playing other programs on chess4you.. I did nothing wrong, So I was not banned, just the program I was useing. > >4) I cannot see anything in the history that would indicate that anything that >Mr. Boehm said concerning this issue was a lie. He gave a totally false account of what happend, I was never asked to just log off chess4You, He said I was never told I could not play Hiarcs7 against other computers. You seen my message to OilB, You Know what the Issue was and why I wrote and talked to the admins about.. You must ask Yourself. Why would I write that message to the Head of admins if Checkonedo did not tell me I could not play other programs on Chess4You and he was resetting my rating.... Then you must ask yourself why they never answered my message... Please use some common sense here...... > >You said that he called you a liar, but which of his statements was that? He said I was not told I could not play Hiarcs7 on Chess4You, So I lied... He said I was told to just log off Chess4You so they could put a C on my account. And my reason for the game being resigned is not correct, So I lied... He comes up with a whole new story, the counters mine.. That is calling me a liar..... The problem his story never happend, I can give some backup to what I say is true by my message t OilB.... > >You stated (repeatedly) that Hiarcs7 was banned. Your proof of this is that one >game was resigned Wrong, I was told by Checkonedo that I could no longer play Hiarcs7 against other programs on Chess4You..... When my games was resigned after I thought this problem was worked out was just the last straw.... And I have not played a game on this server since. for you (after you were "supposedly asked" to logoff and log >back on so that others would know that you were using a computer and after you >did play a human opponent). Since the account is not banned and Mr. Boehm has >publicly stated that you (and others) should bring in whatever computer program >you wish, where is the problem? I was told this before by mr. Boehm, only to have my game resigned at move 10... He is not telling the truth about what happend, so I will never play on his server again. What he is doing now is called covering his ass... I told my story and its up to other if they wish to join such a server, but I will not be part of it again.... > >You stated that Hiarcs7 was banned (it actually was not, a game it was playing >was resigned) because it had 11 wins in a row and was too strong, This is when I first got the message from Checkonedo that I could no longer play Hiarcs7 against other programs. I used the channels, I talked to the other admins I got permission to keep play while they worked if I could keep playing hiarcs7 or not. What pissed me off was after I thought this was worked out and I could keep playing hiarcs7, I see Checkonedo start observing my game and then resign it. I tried to talk to the other admins but all I got was silence. To me the Message was Clear...Hiarcs7 is not going to play the Chess4You computer accounts. Do you see any reply to my message I sent to OilB the Head admin...... You were on my account and you know the answer is NO...... They still will not talk to me....So I Wrote them that email and said I was telling what happned to me, to the people on the net.... I love word of mouth..... but in >reality, it actually played 17 games with a +14=1-2 record before the 18th game >was resigned. In fact, just 2 games before the resigned game, Hiarcs7 lost. This >answer does not seem to be the proper motivating factor for what happened. > >But like Mr. Boehm posted, what is the motivation for dropping a rating? Please >explain. It doesn't make sense. You are right it does not make sense...Read my message to OilB, I was also asking why this action would be taken. I was told by Checkonedo that my rating would be change to get it back into line to what it should be.. Checkonedo said he was changing my rating, not me. So you need to ask Chess4You, as I did. I got no answer either. > >Again, this seems like a misunderstanding that has gotten blown out of >proportion. No misunderstanding, They took the actions I said, and now they are getting bad word of mouth.... No misunderstanding at all.... I think they have a right to run there server anyway they want, and I have a right to tell everyone how they are running the server. > >Your messages have been very accusatory and inflammatory (just look at all of >the people who jumped on the bandwagon with just your sayso and without looking >at the history), however, the proof (you sending a message to someone who didn't >answer?) is minimal. It would be a shame if a group of people here who read your >postings failed to play at chess4u merely because you had a misunderstanding >with them and were not willing to forgive and forget. Like I said their message was clear, No misunderstanding at all. I told my side of it, it is up to the others if they think the server should get their money or not, all I can do is warn them what happend to me. > >If you have other proof, please post it. As a chess server neophyte, I am not >capable of digging for all of the information available. I have been 100% open and gave the members access to my account. I posted what happend and my E-mails I sent them. I have hidden nothing... You must ask yourself, what motive do I have to lie about what happend... Everything I posted gave the same account... This had nothing to do with my account having a "c" or not or other such nonsense. As seen for my message, The problem started when I was told by Checkonedo I could no longer use Hiarcs7 agaisnt other programs on chess4you, and my rating would be changed to bring it back into line with "what it should be" I thank you for looking at my proof..... > >Thanks, > >KarinsDad : ) > >message oLib >Messages to OliB: >DoomsDayMachine at Sun Mar 14 1999, 0:35 MET: Hello, Can you help me. Checkonedo >has said he is checking my rating and I can no longer play other computers on >this network. He will not talk to me or tell me why. >DoomsDayMachine at Sun Mar 14 1999, 0:38 MET: Why is my rating being Changed. I >am on other chess networks and have never had this happen to me. Checkonedo says >my ratings are wrong, but a +200 to +300 rating over crafty programs is what I >have on other >\ chess playing sites like FICS, Chessnet, ICC. Can you help me, this is >unfair. >DoomsDayMachine at Sun Mar 14 1999, 0:42 MET: And I can understand why the admin >messages me this in a game, not to play anymore games and he is changing my >rating, then will not responed to my tells when I try to find out why he is >doing this. Thank you >\ for your help. > >You have no messages from OliB. >message >You have no messages. >message errol >Errol has no messages from you. > >You have no messages from Errol. >history >History for DoomsDayMachine: > Opponent Type ECO End Date >00: + 2365 W 2459 Bulldozer [ sr 5 12] D20 Res Sat Mar 13 20:18:05 1999 >01: + 2381 B 2545 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] D64 Res Sat Mar 13 20:41:29 1999 >02: + 2652 W 2533 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] B48 Res Sat Mar 13 20:52:33 1999 >03: + 2739 B 2525 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] D44 Res Sat Mar 13 21:04:13 1999 >04: + 2786 W 2519 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] D12 Res Sat Mar 13 21:25:53 1999 >05: + 2818 B 2514 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] D37 Res Sat Mar 13 21:42:17 1999 >06: + 2842 W 2510 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] A07 Res Sat Mar 13 22:02:29 1999 >07: + 2861 B 2506 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] D38 Res Sat Mar 13 22:25:50 1999 >08: + 2877 B 2510 RedBaron [ br 5 5] B22 Mat Sat Mar 13 22:50:31 1999 >09: + 2891 W 2507 RedBaron [ br 5 5] A52 Mat Sat Mar 13 23:06:10 1999 >10: - 2789 B 2529 RedBaron [ br 5 5] C51 Mat Sat Mar 13 23:37:45 1999 >11: = 2757 W 2536 RedBaron [ br 5 5] D28 Rep Sat Mar 13 23:49:15 1999 >12: + 2779 W 2536 RedBaron [ br 5 5] A52 Res Sun Mar 14 00:07:26 1999 >13: + 2797 B 2531 RedBaron [ br 5 5] B22 Mat Sun Mar 14 00:27:55 1999 >14: + 2812 B 2531 RedBaron [ br 5 5] A13 Mat Sun Mar 14 01:35:09 1999 >15: - 2745 W 2502 Bulldozer [ br 5 5] C80 Mat Sun Mar 14 02:01:46 1999 >16: + 2745 B 1801 UezWurst [ br 5 5] C65 Res Sun Mar 14 02:22:15 1999 >17: - 2690 B 2549 RedBaron [ br 5 5] C11 Res Sun Mar 14 02:28:36 1999 > >message checkonedo >CheckOneDo has no messages from you. > >You have no messages from CheckOneDo.
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