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Subject: Re: A "mystery" with dual core

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 12:27:56 11/02/05

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On November 02, 2005 at 13:17:13, Gregory Owett wrote:

>On November 02, 2005 at 12:45:14, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On November 02, 2005 at 12:37:09, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On November 02, 2005 at 12:28:37, Gregory Owett wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 02, 2005 at 11:24:10, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 02, 2005 at 10:57:35, Gregory Owett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Recently, I launched two tournaments (ponder off) with the same participants, on
>>>>>>two different machines.  Here results:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On P4 2.2 T=15'+5" :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Fruit 2.2.1 KS104     7,5 / 10
>>>>>>2. Shredder 9 UCI        5,5
>>>>>>3. Shredder 7.04 CLm1    5            25,00
>>>>>>4. Fruit 2.2.1 Uri       5            23,00
>>>>>>5. Shredder 8 CLD        3,5          17,25
>>>>>>6. Fruit 2.2.1           3,5          16,50
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On AMD x2 dual core 4800+   T=15'+5" :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Shredder 8 CLD        6,5 / 10
>>>>>>2. Fruit 2.2.1 Uri       6
>>>>>>3. Fruit 2.2.1 KS104     5            25,75
>>>>>>4. Fruit 2.2.1           5            24,25
>>>>>>5. Shredder 9 UCI        4,5
>>>>>>6. Shredder 7.04 CLm1    3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The success of Shredder 8 CLD (UCI) on the dual core machine, confirms what the
>>>>>>task manager indicated, i.e. which Shredder 8 CLD, in spite of it is
>>>>>>single-threaded engine, used 99% of the two processors, while all the others
>>>>>>used 50%, in other words, only one processor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well both Shredder 7 and 8 were SMP capable. So you must edit engine parameters
>>>>>and tell it to use only one thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>>(Native engines, as F8, J9, H9, CT15 etc...use 99% too.)
>>>>>None of those in single versions are SMP capable so I would say on a dual that
>>>>>is impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter Kasinski thinks that Windows task manager is confused and carryforwards
>>>>>>incorrectly.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have run every engine and observed task manager and it seems to switch all
>>>>>correctly I've seen no odd behavior at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>The goal, it is rather than the engines use two processors instead of one!  But
>>>>by editing the parameters, for example for Shredder, there is no possibility of
>>>>choosing one or two processors to be used.
>>>
>>>Of course there is. Open the engine parameters and change threads from 2 to 1
>>>it's there believe me I've done it.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>Yes Sarah I just started a match between Fruit and Shredder 8 in Chessbase GUI.
>>I left pondering on and left Shredder at 2 threads.  It seems that sometimes
>>Fruit gets 50% and sometimes it's fighting Shredder for cpu time and only gets
>>25%.  Also sometimes it's inbetween 25%-50% for Fruit.  So It's only fair to set
>>Shredder to 1 thread in this case.
>>Jim
>
>In this case, ponder off is essential, I believe.
>
>Gregory

Hello Gregory,
I don't do "ponder off" testing.  I prefer to run programs in their natural
settings.  I realize some people do the ponder off and that's their perogative.
It provides information of a different nature than what I'm interested in.  When
I solve my connection problem between my two computers I will be able to play
the Deep programs on the dual core vs the single cpu programs on a separate
computer.  It's the only way I test programs.
Jim



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