Author: Christopher Conkie
Date: 04:30:07 11/05/05
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On November 05, 2005 at 07:12:21, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>On November 05, 2005 at 06:51:48, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2005 at 02:15:56, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On November 04, 2005 at 18:26:55, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 04, 2005 at 12:43:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[D]r1b1k1nr/ppp2ppp/n7/3pp3/N3q3/PK6/1PPP2PP/R1BQ1BNR b kq - bm Qxa4+ = draw
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe incorrect (Hampe - Meitner 1872)?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jouni
>>>>
>>>>{C25 Vienna: Hammpe-Meitner}1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Bc5 3.Na4
>>>>
>>>>I think you mean this game from 1870 and is a Vienna played in Vienna.
>>>>
>>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Bc5 3.Na4 Bxf2+ 4.Kxf2 Qh4+ 5.Ke3 Qf4+ 6.Kd3 d5 7.Kc3 Qxe4 8.Kb3
>>>>Na6 9.a3 Qxa4+ 10.Kxa4 Nc5+ 11.Kb4 a5+ 12.Kxc5 Ne7 13.Bb5+ Kd8 14.Bc6 b6+ 15.Kb5
>>>>Nxc6 16.Kxc6 Bb7+ 17.Kb5 Ba6+ 1/2-1/2
>>>>
>>>>It is a very interesting game. Engines can't cope with this. I think that both
>>>>Kb4 and Kb5 are draws as amazing as it seems.
>>>>
>>>>Very nice.
>>>>
>>>>Christopher
>>>
>>> Why not a readable PGN that can - including
>>> the header - directly imported in a chess
>>> program? BTW: An interesting game. I am goin
>>> to have a deeper look in order to find out
>>> if the queen sac was correct. And below the
>>> "readable" PGN
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>[Event "Vienna"]
>>>[Site "Vienna"]
>>>[Date "1872.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Hampe"]
>>>[Black "Meitner, P."]
>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>[ECO "C25"]
>>>[PlyCount "34"]
>>>[EventDate "1872.??.??"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Bc5 3. Na4 Bxf2+ 4. Kxf2 Qh4+ 5. Ke3 Qf4+ 6. Kd3 d5 7. Kc3 Qxe4
>>>8. Kb3 Na6 9. a3 Qxa4+ 10. Kxa4 Nc5+ 11. Kb4 a5+ 12. Kxc5 Ne7 13. Bb5+ Kd8 14.
>>>Bc6 b6+ 15. Kb5 Nxc6 16. Kxc6 Bb7+ 17. Kb5 Ba6+ 1/2-1/2
>>
>>Hello Kurt,
>>
>>Yes....not intended to put just the game with no header. You have done it now so
>>thanks.
>>
>>As for the position/game, this is from "The Complete Vienna" by Mikhail Tseitlin
>>and Igor Glazkov (Batsford/Herny Holt) 1995......
>>
>>"After 3.Na4?!, Black's best is 3.....Be7! =; instead in Hamppe-Meitner, Black
>>sacrificed his Bishop 3.....Bxf2+ 4. Kxf2 Qh4+ 5. Ke3 Qf4+ 6. Kd3 d5 and now, by
>>continuing 7 Qe1! de+ 8. Kc3 e3 9. Kb3 Be6+ 10. Ka3 White could have repulsed
>>the attack and kept the piece."
>
>This was wrong:
>7.Qe1 Nf6! is much better than 7...dxe4+ i.e. 8.g3 Qg4 9.Bh3 dxe4+ 10.Kc3 Nd5+
>etc.
>
>Michael
Hello Michael,
I would not say it is wrong, just a different alternative. What pulses through
my brain at this point is 7.....Bd7 attacking the knight. In your line I think
8......Qg4 is not as good as Qxe4+ for example.
Christopher
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