Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:00:00 11/12/05
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On November 12, 2005 at 13:02:23, George Tsavdaris wrote: >On November 12, 2005 at 12:53:31, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On November 12, 2005 at 10:31:53, George Tsavdaris wrote: >> >>>On November 12, 2005 at 10:22:44, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On November 12, 2005 at 10:13:46, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>> >>>>>I see that Zappa-The King continues from a completely drawn position...... >>>>>Computers will keep playing it but why their operators are so stubborn? >>>>> >>>>>The game should stop from 43th move or earlier.......What a waste of time:-( >>>>> >>>> >>>>It is not so stupid as you think. I remember games where one of the programs was >>>>loosing with a -5 score and it won the game finally. >>>> >>>>It is possible the operator thougt that the complete point was important and it >>>>was trying to win by time out or a possible bug in the other engine. >>> >>> That kind of thinking is not what Chess or computer Chess has to be! This is a >>>bad, very bad sportsmanship.....! >> >>It is not matter of matter of thoughts. The point is you can need that point to >>get a better position in the Tournament and you can use that if your opponent >>doesnt know how to handle that situation. >> >>Today, The King managed to draw the game despite of the Zappa Operatior >>stubborness to win the game. >> >>> >>>> >>>>If you think that it is so stupid to win a complete point gambling in a possible >>>>mistake of the opponent, then your question is more stupid than I though it was. >>> >>> Again, having a complete draw-position and praying for a bug or time loss is >>>very bad behaviour.......! >>> And since you think that my question would be stupid i can conclude that you >>>approve this behaviour. I have another opinion: Yes to try to win, but always >>>with an elegant way! >> >>Tell me in what rule of the FIDE is forbidden to press the opponent when he is >>in a hurry because of the time. > > No i don't say it's illegal i just say it is not the correct behaviour, yet, >ONLY if the position will be a clear draw (i'm not speaking about insufficient >material draws). > >>The best players in the world have used this >>technique to press the opponent or to try to save a half of point. Example, I >>remember now a game between Korchnoi-Karpov in Baguio City. Korchnoi was in a >>hurry of time but I could checkmate the Black King in 3. Karpov gambled and move >>the king to the center. Korchnoi blunder and the game finished draw. It save 0.5 >>points. Is it a bad practice? No, because he needed to save that game. > >That's anonther story. I'm not speaking about that kind of situations. I'm >speaking about positions that are clear draws with easy play. No real >grandmaster or Chess player would continue such a game, blitz or not..... This is not correct Ni Hua is a real grandmaster from china http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=8601160 He tried to win an easy draw of KRN vs KR at tournament time control against the israeli player until the israeli player could claim a draw by the 50 move rule. [Event "WTC 2005"] [Site "Israel"] [Date "2005.11.04"] [Round "4"] [White "Avrukh, Boris"] [Black "Ni, Hua"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [WhiteElo "2652"] [BlackElo "2603"] [PlyCount "215"] [EventDate "2005.??.??"] [WhiteTeam "Israel"] [BlackTeam "CHM"] [WhiteTeamCountry "ISR"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nxc4 Nb6 8. Ne5 a5 9. Bg5 h6 10. Bh4 Nbd5 11. Qb3 Qb6 12. Qxb6 Nxb6 13. f3 Nfd7 14. e4 Bh7 15. Nd3 e6 16. Be2 f6 17. Bg3 Be7 18. O-O g5 19. Bd1 c5 20. Nb5 Kf7 21. Rc1 c4 22. Nf2 e5 23. dxe5 Nxe5 24. Bxe5 fxe5 25. Ng4 Kg7 26. Nxe5 Rhc8 27. Be2 Bg8 28. Rfd1 Rd8 29. Kf1 Nxa4 30. Nxc4 Rxd1+ 31. Rxd1 Bxc4 32. Bxc4 Nxb2 33. Rd7 Nxc4 34. Rxe7+ Kf6 35. Rc7 Ne5 36. Rxb7 a4 37. Nc7 Ra5 38. Rb6+ Kf7 39. Nb5 a3 40. Nxa3 Rxa3 41. Rxh6 Nd3 42. h4 Ra1+ 43. Ke2 Nf4+ 44. Kf2 Ra2+ 45. Kf1 gxh4 46. Rxh4 Nxg2 47. Rh2 Ne3+ 48. Kg1 Ra3 49. Rh5 Kg6 50. Rc5 Ra2 51. f4 Rg2+ 52. Kh1 Rf2 53. Rg5+ Kf6 54. Rg3 Nc4 55. Kg1 Rxf4 56. Kg2 Ke5 57. Rg8 Kd4 58. e5 Nxe5 59. Ra8 Ke3 60. Ra3+ Nd3 61. Kg3 Rd4 62. Ra8 Ne5 63. Ra3+ Ke4 64. Rb3 Ra4 65. Rb8 Ra3+ 66. Kg2 Ng6 67. Kf2 Rf3+ 68. Ke2 Nf4+ 69. Kd2 Rf2+ 70. Kc3 Nd5+ 71. Kb3 Rf3+ 72. Kb2 Kd4 73. Rh8 Rf7 74. Rh3 Rb7+ 75. Rb3 Nb4 76. Kc1 Rh7 77. Kb1 Rh1+ 78. Kb2 Nd3+ 79. Kc2 Rh2+ 80. Kb1 Nc5 81. Rb8 Ne6 82. Rb2 Rh1+ 83. Ka2 Kc3 84. Rb3+ Kc4 85. Rg3 Rh4 86. Kb2 Nd4 87. Rg8 Rh2+ 88. Kb1 Nb5 89. Kc1 Nd4 90. Kb1 Ne2 91. Rc8+ Kd3 92. Kb2 Rh6 93. Rb8 Nd4 94. Rb7 Rh8 95. Kb1 Nc6 96. Rg7 Rh3 97. Kb2 Ne5 98. Kb3 Kd4+ 99. Ka2 Nc4 100. Rg2 Kc3 101. Rf2 Nd2 102. Rg2 Ne4 103. Rg8 Nd6 104. Ka3 Kc4+ 105. Ka4 Ne4 106. Ka5 Ra3+ 107. Kb6 Kd5 108. Rg1 1/2-1/2 Uri
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