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Subject: Re: A surprised weakness of Shredder 9 (Endgame) !

Author: Dagh Nielsen

Date: 05:52:36 11/16/05

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I think the logic that you can't deduce anything from experiments on bad
hardware or in short time controls is flawed due to a fundamental reason:

The position in question could always be a few plies down in a search from
another position. Then the program would not have all resources available for
evaluating this particular line.

By extension, if a program performs suboptimally at short time controls or on
slow hardware, it is very likely to perfom just as suboptimal at longer time
control and on faster hardware.

Regards,
Dagh Nielsen

On November 16, 2005 at 07:33:55, Ernst Walet wrote:

>You're running on ancient hardware. Futhermore your TB hits are way to low. is
>your setup right?
>
>Is the following convincing enough?
>
>Deep Shredder 9.02 x64 by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, www.shredderchess.com
>CPU0: AuthenticAMD AMD64 Family 15 Model 43 Stepping 1 2203 MHz
>CPU1: AuthenticAMD AMD64 Family 15 Model 43 Stepping 1 2203 MHz
>GUI: Tablebases with 5 pieces found! [Cache: 16 MB + internal 13.67 MB]
>Engine: Deep Shredder 9 x64 (1000 MB)
>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
> 19/38	 0:01 	-0.85++	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 (2.359.939) 1411  TB:8.037
> 19/38	 0:01 	-0.85 	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 a5 3.f3 Ke6 4.Kg5 Ke5 5.f4+ Kd4 6.Kxf5 Kxc4
>(2.494.108) 1376  TB:8.597
> 20/38	 0:02 	-0.76 	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 a5 3.f3 Ke6 4.Kg5 Ke5 5.f4+ Kd4 6.Kxf5 Kxc4
>7.Ke4 Kc5 8.f5 h5 9.f6 Kd6 (3.544.392) 1383  TB:10.882
> 21/41	 0:04 	-0.77 	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 Ke6 3.a5 Kd6 4.bxa6 bxa6 5.Kxf5 Kc5 6.f4 Kxc4
>7.Kf6 Kd4 8.Ke6 h5 9.f5 h4 10.f6 h3 11.f7 h2 12.f8Q h1Q 13.Qd6+ Ke4 (5.974.639)
>1405  TB:19.755
> 22/43	 0:05 	-1.02--	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 (7.723.622) 1445  TB:22.035
> 22/43	 0:05 	-1.52--	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 (8.806.894) 1479  TB:22.450
> 22/43	 0:13 	-1.52 	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 a5 (19.869.616) 1428  TB:40.550
> 23/41	 0:16 	-1.77--	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 (24.178.482) 1440  TB:48.372
> 23/41	 0:17 	-2.27--	1...Kf6 2.Kf4 (25.074.667) 1457  TB:48.943
> 23/44	 0:40 	-8.60 	1...Kf6 2.c5 axb5 3.c6 bxc6 4.a5 b4 5.Ke2 b3 6.Kd2 c5 7.a6
>c4 8.Kc3 (62.786.080) 1542  TB:64.488
> 24/43	 0:51 	-8.84 	1...Kf6 2.c5 axb5 3.c6 bxc6 4.a5 b4 5.Ke2 b3 6.Kd2 h5 7.a6
>h4 (73.114.721) 1425  TB:100.237
> 25/45	 1:07 	-9.08 	1...Kf6 2.c5 axb5 3.c6 bxc6 4.a5 b4 5.Ke2 b3 6.Kd2 h5 7.a6
>c5 8.a7 c4 9.Kc3 h4 10.a8Q Kg6 11.Qg2+ Kh6 12.f4 (89.236.543) 1318  TB:158.137
> 26/49	 1:28 	-9.19 	1...Kf6 2.c5 axb5 3.c6 bxc6 4.a5 b4 5.Ke2 b3 6.Kd2 f4 7.a6
>b2 8.Kc2 b1Q+ (113.629.171) 1288  TB:225.436
>best move: Kg5-f6 time: 1:33.438 min  n/s: 1.311.159  CPU 156.0%   n/s(1CPU):
>840.486  nodes: 122.470.149 TB: 230.098
>
>Ernst.



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