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Subject: Re: most GM's cant beat crafty so what is the point!

Author: Günther Simon

Date: 15:06:43 11/17/05

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On November 17, 2005 at 17:07:14, chandler yergin wrote:

>On November 17, 2005 at 10:43:42, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On November 17, 2005 at 04:10:03, ERIQ wrote:
>>
>>>On November 17, 2005 at 02:06:32, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 17, 2005 at 02:00:46, Enam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dear friends,
>>>>>I have received mail from chessbase usa , they says HIARCS 10 will available
>>>>>from December 5th 2005.
>>>>>So, I think Fruit has new competetor soon. Worrried Fruit Users ?
>>>>>Regurds
>>>>>
>>>>>Enam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>i'm curious to see if the hiarcs team decides to advertise and market their
>>>>program with a nice supergrandmaster ass kicking,
>>>
>>>I for one am getting tired of the beatings.
>>
>>There's no such thing as beating. Or hardly. Not yet.
>>When weaknesses are discovered and exploited, then it's time to start
>>programming again.
>>If a program will stand the test of time, without its weaknesses ever being
>>learned enough, to be able to beat it, then that will be the REAL good program,
>>which will be the GM beater.
>>SURE Most good programs beat the biggest GM's, today. Anyone who says not, is a
>>bore, and probably just drinks beer the whole day and speaks hot air.
>>S.Taylor
>   Please compare the ELO's to the Top Grandmasters.
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?462226

What Elos? I hope you don't mean the 'Elos' in Kurts
message? Those are just artificial ratings and only
depend on what Kurt has asserted...

I guess that you understand that the absolute number
in Kurts posting has no meaning?
You can only tell something about the differences between
the programs.

Guenther

Both tables below tell the same as the first table:

    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -

  1 Fruit 2.2.1                    : 372.0/550  67.6   3437   3566   22  31
  2 Shredder 9                     :  25.0/ 50  50.0   3569   3569   86  86
  3 Fritz 9                        :  23.5/ 50  47.0   3569   3548   80  98
  4 Chess Tiger 15.0               :  19.0/ 50  38.0   3569   3483   78  86
  5 Ruffian 2.1.0                  :  16.5/ 50  33.0   3569   3446  102  81
  6 Hiarcs 9                       :  16.0/ 50  32.0   3569   3438   72  80
  7 The King 3.33                  :  15.5/ 50  31.0   3569   3430  105  79
  8 Spike 1.0a Mainz               :  15.5/ 50  31.0   3569   3430  112  79
  9 Junior 9                       :  15.0/ 50  30.0   3569   3421   97  79
 10 Loop List 600                  :  13.0/ 50  26.0   3569   3387  118  75
 11 Gandalf 6.0                    :  11.0/ 50  22.0   3569   3349  137  72
 12 Aristarch 4.50                 :   8.0/ 50  16.0   3569   3280  144  68

    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -

  1 Fruit 2.2.1                    : 372.0/550  67.6   1437   1566   22  31
  2 Shredder 9                     :  25.0/ 50  50.0   1569   1569   86  86
  3 Fritz 9                        :  23.5/ 50  47.0   1569   1548   80  98
  4 Chess Tiger 15.0               :  19.0/ 50  38.0   1569   1483   78  86
  5 Ruffian 2.1.0                  :  16.5/ 50  33.0   1569   1446  102  81
  6 Hiarcs 9                       :  16.0/ 50  32.0   1569   1438   72  80
  7 The King 3.33                  :  15.5/ 50  31.0   1569   1430  105  79
  8 Spike 1.0a Mainz               :  15.5/ 50  31.0   1569   1430  112  79
  9 Junior 9                       :  15.0/ 50  30.0   1569   1421   97  79
 10 Loop List 600                  :  13.0/ 50  26.0   1569   1387  118  75
 11 Gandalf 6.0                    :  11.0/ 50  22.0   1569   1349  137  72
 12 Aristarch 4.50                 :   8.0/ 50  16.0   1569   1280  144  68



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