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Subject: Re: most GM's cant beat crafty so what is the point!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 15:14:37 11/17/05

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On November 17, 2005 at 18:06:43, Günther Simon wrote:

>On November 17, 2005 at 17:07:14, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On November 17, 2005 at 10:43:42, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On November 17, 2005 at 04:10:03, ERIQ wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 17, 2005 at 02:06:32, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 17, 2005 at 02:00:46, Enam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear friends,
>>>>>>I have received mail from chessbase usa , they says HIARCS 10 will available
>>>>>>from December 5th 2005.
>>>>>>So, I think Fruit has new competetor soon. Worrried Fruit Users ?
>>>>>>Regurds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Enam.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>i'm curious to see if the hiarcs team decides to advertise and market their
>>>>>program with a nice supergrandmaster ass kicking,
>>>>
>>>>I for one am getting tired of the beatings.
>>>
>>>There's no such thing as beating. Or hardly. Not yet.
>>>When weaknesses are discovered and exploited, then it's time to start
>>>programming again.
>>>If a program will stand the test of time, without its weaknesses ever being
>>>learned enough, to be able to beat it, then that will be the REAL good program,
>>>which will be the GM beater.
>>>SURE Most good programs beat the biggest GM's, today. Anyone who says not, is a
>>>bore, and probably just drinks beer the whole day and speaks hot air.
>>>S.Taylor
>>   Please compare the ELO's to the Top Grandmasters.
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?462226
>
>What Elos? I hope you don't mean the 'Elos' in Kurts
>message? Those are just artificial ratings and only
>depend on what Kurt has asserted...
>
>I guess that you understand that the absolute number
>in Kurts posting has no meaning?
>You can only tell something about the differences between
>the programs.
>
  Yes Thnk you  for Posting and clarification.
Best Regards,
Chan
>Guenther
>
>Both tables below tell the same as the first table:
>
>    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -
>
>  1 Fruit 2.2.1                    : 372.0/550  67.6   3437   3566   22  31
>  2 Shredder 9                     :  25.0/ 50  50.0   3569   3569   86  86
>  3 Fritz 9                        :  23.5/ 50  47.0   3569   3548   80  98
>  4 Chess Tiger 15.0               :  19.0/ 50  38.0   3569   3483   78  86
>  5 Ruffian 2.1.0                  :  16.5/ 50  33.0   3569   3446  102  81
>  6 Hiarcs 9                       :  16.0/ 50  32.0   3569   3438   72  80
>  7 The King 3.33                  :  15.5/ 50  31.0   3569   3430  105  79
>  8 Spike 1.0a Mainz               :  15.5/ 50  31.0   3569   3430  112  79
>  9 Junior 9                       :  15.0/ 50  30.0   3569   3421   97  79
> 10 Loop List 600                  :  13.0/ 50  26.0   3569   3387  118  75
> 11 Gandalf 6.0                    :  11.0/ 50  22.0   3569   3349  137  72
> 12 Aristarch 4.50                 :   8.0/ 50  16.0   3569   3280  144  68
>
>    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -
>
>  1 Fruit 2.2.1                    : 372.0/550  67.6   1437   1566   22  31
>  2 Shredder 9                     :  25.0/ 50  50.0   1569   1569   86  86
>  3 Fritz 9                        :  23.5/ 50  47.0   1569   1548   80  98
>  4 Chess Tiger 15.0               :  19.0/ 50  38.0   1569   1483   78  86
>  5 Ruffian 2.1.0                  :  16.5/ 50  33.0   1569   1446  102  81
>  6 Hiarcs 9                       :  16.0/ 50  32.0   1569   1438   72  80
>  7 The King 3.33                  :  15.5/ 50  31.0   1569   1430  105  79
>  8 Spike 1.0a Mainz               :  15.5/ 50  31.0   1569   1430  112  79
>  9 Junior 9                       :  15.0/ 50  30.0   1569   1421   97  79
> 10 Loop List 600                  :  13.0/ 50  26.0   1569   1387  118  75
> 11 Gandalf 6.0                    :  11.0/ 50  22.0   1569   1349  137  72
> 12 Aristarch 4.50                 :   8.0/ 50  16.0   1569   1280  144  68



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