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Subject: Re: SSDF(Fruit 2.2.1 - Junior 9)A1200, 2-0, now 20.5-15.5

Author: Rex

Date: 03:22:51 11/19/05

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On November 19, 2005 at 05:50:31, Uri Blass wrote:

>I wonder what happened to the famous learning of the chessbase programs
>
>From the fruit page about future plans:
>
>"Book-learning and position-learning (perhaps but not very likely -
>book-learning is not easy to implement in a UCI-Engine)"
>
>Note that the chessbase programs are supposed to have book learning and I
>remember that old Fritz beated Rebel8 again and again in the same line because
>Rebel did not have book learning.
>
>People could expect based on these observations that Fruit is going to lose
>matches in the ssdf because of lack of learning (or at least to score worse in
>the second half of the match but I do not see it happens).
>
>I wonder if there is a bug in the implementation of learning by chessbase.
>
>Note that based on the match against shredder9 that is supposed to have
>positional learning it seems that positional learning also did not help Shredder
>against fruit.
>
>I did not look at the games of the ssdf to find out but I wonder if the
>opponents of fruit did not try to repeat lines that they beated fruit and I
>wonder if it had no effect(even if they cannot repeat the same lines exactly I
>expect repeating similiar lines to have bigger probability to lead to similiar
>results).
>
>Is there something wrong in my assumptions?
>
>Uri


Interesting point Uri,

Though I have not reviewed any of the games, I have from some of my past
computer games seen where DS9 didn't seem to learn correctly from past lines
played.  Also remember some questioning the learning functions of DS9/S9.

So your idea aobut positional learning could be a valid point.  From my
experience, positional learning has decreased or have little to no effect.



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