Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 12:54:08 11/19/05
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On November 19, 2005 at 15:44:46, chandler yergin wrote: >On November 19, 2005 at 15:29:44, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On November 19, 2005 at 14:15:59, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On November 19, 2005 at 14:08:42, Sune Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>...of those highly inferior game databases. The creator (or collector) can even >>>>state that the DB is "totally free from duplicates" - or "one of the cleanest >>>>there is with 0.?? % doubles". As long as the player names and tournaments are >>>>not completly worked through - this is all nonsense. Such a DB is just bad. >>>>Doublechecks will never find those false games, games with wrong moves, wrong >>>>names etc. And people put these games into trees to create books for their >>>>engines... I won't hang out any names of people making money from bad DB:s - but >>>>a hint: Check out the playerbase and the tournament tables - then you'll get a >>>>clue. Below some games from just one tourney - just to show you what I mean by >>>>false games... >>>> >>>>[Event "Poznan"] >>>>[Site "Poznan"] >>>>[Date "1987.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Adamcik, M."] >>>>[Black "Maciejewski, M."] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[ECO "E91"] >>>>[BlackElo "2365"] >>>>[PlyCount "40"] >>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"] >>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"] >>>> >>>>1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. d4 Bg7 5. Be2 O-O 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O Bg4 8. d5 >>>>Na6 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Bxf3 Nc7 11. Bf4 Nd7 12. Qd2 Re8 13. Rab1 a6 14. a4 Rb8 15. >>>>Be2 Nb6 16. a5 Nd7 17. b3 Ne6 18. Qc1 Ra8 19. Nb5 axb5 20. Ra1 b4 0-1 >>>> >>>>[Event "Poznan"] >>>>[Site "Poznan"] >>>>[Date "1987.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Drzemicki, D."] >>>>[Black "Malis, J."] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[ECO "B06"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2300"] >>>>[BlackElo "2190"] >>>>[PlyCount "43"] >>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"] >>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 g6 2. e4 c6 3. c3 d5 4. e5 a6 5. Bd3 b6 6. h4 h5 7. Qc2 Be6 8. Nh3 Qc8 9. >>>>Ng5 Bf5 10. Bxf5 Qxf5 11. Qe2 Nh6 12. Na3 a5 13. Nc2 Qc8 14. e6 f6 15. Nh3 Qa6 >>>>16. Qf3 Kd8 17. Ne3 a4 18. Bd2 Qc4 19. Nc2 Qxd4 20. Qd3 Ra5 21. Qg3 Nf7 22. >>>>Qc7+ 0-1 >>>> >>>>[Event "Poznan"] >>>>[Site "Poznan"] >>>>[Date "1987.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Drzemicki, D."] >>>>[Black "Soltys, B."] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[ECO "A40"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2300"] >>>>[BlackElo "2270"] >>>>[PlyCount "55"] >>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"] >>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 b5 2. e4 Bb7 3. Nd2 a6 4. Bd3 Nf6 5. Qe2 e6 6. Ngf3 c5 7. c3 cxd4 8. cxd4 >>>>Nc6 9. O-O Be7 10. Nb3 d5 11. e5 Nd7 12. Bd2 Qb6 13. Rac1 b4 14. Be3 a5 15. Rc2 >>>>a4 16. Nbd2 Qa5 17. b3 Nf8 18. bxa4 Ra6 19. Bxa6 Bd8 20. Qd3 Bxa6 21. Rxc6 Qc7 >>>>22. Qc2 b3 23. Re1 g6 24. Rd1 Rg8 25. Qb2 bxa2 26. Qa3 h5 27. Rc2 Bc8 28. Qe7+ >>>>0-1 >>>> >>>>[Event "Poznan"] >>>>[Site "Poznan"] >>>>[Date "1987.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Jakubowski, J."] >>>>[Black "Soltys, B."] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>[ECO "A40"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2250"] >>>>[BlackElo "2270"] >>>>[PlyCount "28"] >>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"] >>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 b5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Bf4 c5 4. e3 Qb6 5. Nc3 a6 6. dxc5 Bxc5 7. a4 b4 8. Ne4 >>>>Nf6 9. a5 Qc6 10. Ng3 Qb5 11. Ne2 Ba7 12. Ng5 Bxe3 13. Nh3 Bxf4 14. g3 Qg5 1-0 >>>> >>>>[Event "Poznan"] >>>>[Site "Poznan"] >>>>[Date "1987.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Jezierski, P."] >>>>[Black "Maciejewski, M."] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>[ECO "C84"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2310"] >>>>[BlackElo "2365"] >>>>[PlyCount "81"] >>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"] >>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. O-O Be7 7. e5 Ne4 8. >>>>Nxd4 O-O 9. Nf5 d5 10. exd6 Bf6 11. Bxc6 Bxf5 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bxa6 Bxb2 14. >>>>dxc7 Qxc7 15. Bxb2 Rxb2 16. Bd3 Bg6 17. Qf3 Ng5 18. Qe3 Ne6 19. Na3 Ra8 20. Nb5 >>>>Qa5 21. a4 Rb4 22. Nc3 Rc8 23. Bb5 Rb2 24. Nd5 Rcxc2 25. Nf4 Nf8 26. Nxg6 hxg6 >>>>27. Rac1 Qc7 28. h3 Ne6 29. Rxc2 Qxc2 30. Rc1 Rb1 31. Rxb1 Qxb1+ 32. Kh2 Qb4 >>>>33. Qe5 Kh7 34. Bd7 Nc5 35. Qd6 Qc3 36. Be8 Qc4 37. a5 Ne4 38. Qg3 g5 39. Qxg5 >>>>Kg8 40. f4 Qc8 41. Bc6 1-0 >>>> >>>>/S >>> >>>That is bad...what's the solution to such incompetence? >> >> >> I would suggest to buy one good DB and stick to that one for a start. My first >>choice would be ChessBase BigBase (or MegaBase if you want commented games). CB >>has an excellent PlayerBase with nicely workedthrough tournaments. Second choice >>would be the ChessAssistent Base - but I'm not so familiar with this one. Just >>heard reports from other collectors. Then be very careful with what games you >>add yourself - meaning checking out names and tournaments. Of course it's also >>possible to buy a new DB each year but... >> >>/S > Just keep downloading from TWIC weekly.. and Paste into the database you have. >No need to buy another. Mixing TWIC up with what? CB:s Big or Mega? Okey - then you will have Carlsen, Magnus + Carlsen, M --- Timman, Jan + Timman, J etcetera in your playerbase. I like TWIC but they have mostly one letter for the first name. In bad DB:s you can find like 20 spellings of Kortschnoj, Viktor... /S
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