Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: SSDF(Fruit 2.2.1 - Junior 9)A1200, 2-0, now 20.5-15.5

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 15:36:43 11/19/05

Go up one level in this thread


On November 19, 2005 at 17:33:37, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On November 19, 2005 at 05:50:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>I wonder what happened to the famous learning of the chessbase programs
>>
>>From the fruit page about future plans:
>>
>>"Book-learning and position-learning (perhaps but not very likely -
>>book-learning is not easy to implement in a UCI-Engine)"
>>
>>Note that the chessbase programs are supposed to have book learning and I
>>remember that old Fritz beated Rebel8 again and again in the same line because
>>Rebel did not have book learning.
>>
>>People could expect based on these observations that Fruit is going to lose
>>matches in the ssdf because of lack of learning (or at least to score worse in
>>the second half of the match but I do not see it happens).
>>
>>I wonder if there is a bug in the implementation of learning by chessbase.
>>
>>Note that based on the match against shredder9 that is supposed to have
>>positional learning it seems that positional learning also did not help Shredder
>>against fruit.
>>
>>I did not look at the games of the ssdf to find out but I wonder if the
>>opponents of fruit did not try to repeat lines that they beated fruit and I
>>wonder if it had no effect(even if they cannot repeat the same lines exactly I
>>expect repeating similiar lines to have bigger probability to lead to similiar
>>results).
>>
>>Is there something wrong in my assumptions?
>>
>>Uri
>
>Positive learning don't work with (if not the opening are totally winning)
>engines like Shredder, Nimzo and Comet for example, because these engines plays
>different moves and lines (if not forced) in each and every game because of
>hashing (?) or some other factor that makes them play different moves in the
>same position.
>
>Bertil
They 'evaluate' every legal move in every position on the board.
This becomes the Root position and the Search & Evaluation begins again.



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.