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Subject: Re: Dutch Open: the story of the game Fruit - Diep

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 20:57:49 11/19/05

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On November 19, 2005 at 17:15:51, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 19, 2005 at 16:19:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2005 at 15:39:50, JNoomen wrote:
>>
>>>On November 19, 2005 at 15:02:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>>As I proposed to you: I would like to play a rematch Fruit - Diep with the move
>>>19.Kb1 being played. As I now have a 3-0 with Fruit against Fritz 9 with 19.Kb1,
>>>I am confident that Fruit will beat Diep as well.
>>>
>>>So name a time, a place and a date, I am ready for it!
>>>
>>>Jeroen
>>>
>>>
>>>PS  For the readers here at CCC: I proposed to play a game with 19.Kb1 after the
>>>match ended, which was refused by Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I had decided not to reply all the garbage written here. However, my patience
>>with the baby crying is over. Since you don't stop to cry again and again, I am
>>very confident that Diep would beat you again.
>
>I do not think that it is correct to describe JNoomen behaviour as crying.

That is not the first time that I beat a Jeroen Noomen line.

>
>Playing against Fritz at least show evidence that fruit may beat some opponents
>with Kb1.

Incorrect. It only shows that Fruit can beat Fritz in certain lines.

>I think that it is clear that it is not a proof that it could beat diep with
>Kb1.
>

Correct. I agree.


>
> Diep already did it with the
>>Erdogan Book as well as with my lines that you use to call "craps" in every
>>Tournaments.
>
>I do not remember JNoomen using the word "craps" about your lines.
>

Ask Jeroen Noomen what he mentioned about my Najdorf lines during past
Tournament.


> In this specific Tournament, every Jeroen's line was not able to
>>beat my "crappy lines", eventhough you had the advantages to be in 3 engines:
>>Fruit, ProDeo and Sjeng (all version of your book).
>
>Diep was white in the case of Prodeo and Sjeng and only drew the game.

If you check the games, you will see that the ProDeo game was a simple drawish
line and the Sjeng game was impossible to go more than a draw. Those lines were
Ok for the black side.

I am not satisfied about those games although the resulst were easy draws.

>
>I guess that Prodeo one processor is weaker than Diep with many processors so
>draw with black against Diep is a success for the book author.

Not really. ProDeo is known to be a very well tuned engine. It is not easy to
beat ProDeo. Only saying the book was important is only underestimating the
engine.

>
>>
>>Diep doesn't have to play a specific line or game against you, because we won
>>the battle on that game. It is not a problem for Diep or me, if you failed in
>>that game.
>
>Diep does not have to play a game but if Vincent does not want to play a game it
>is better if he says nothing about it.

He can say anything as Jeroen Noomen directed the comment towards Diep.

>
>If the reason for not telling information is that you want to hide your book
>preperation then I see no reason to tell part of the information.

It was my initial intention until I continued seeing the flow of the thread.

>
>If that claim is misinformation(I do not claim that it is the case and I do not
>know) then there may be a reason to do it but I think that it is immoral to do
>it.
>

On the contrary, it is not moral to justify the lost of the game from the
"mistakes" of the opponent.




>Uri



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