Author: chandler yergin
Date: 21:43:47 11/19/05
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On November 19, 2005 at 15:54:08, Sune Larsson wrote:
>On November 19, 2005 at 15:44:46, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2005 at 15:29:44, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>
>>>On November 19, 2005 at 14:15:59, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 19, 2005 at 14:08:42, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>...of those highly inferior game databases. The creator (or collector) can even
>>>>>state that the DB is "totally free from duplicates" - or "one of the cleanest
>>>>>there is with 0.?? % doubles". As long as the player names and tournaments are
>>>>>not completly worked through - this is all nonsense. Such a DB is just bad.
>>>>>Doublechecks will never find those false games, games with wrong moves, wrong
>>>>>names etc. And people put these games into trees to create books for their
>>>>>engines... I won't hang out any names of people making money from bad DB:s - but
>>>>>a hint: Check out the playerbase and the tournament tables - then you'll get a
>>>>>clue. Below some games from just one tourney - just to show you what I mean by
>>>>>false games...
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Site "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Date "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Adamcik, M."]
>>>>>[Black "Maciejewski, M."]
>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>[ECO "E91"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2365"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "40"]
>>>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. d4 Bg7 5. Be2 O-O 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O Bg4 8. d5
>>>>>Na6 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Bxf3 Nc7 11. Bf4 Nd7 12. Qd2 Re8 13. Rab1 a6 14. a4 Rb8 15.
>>>>>Be2 Nb6 16. a5 Nd7 17. b3 Ne6 18. Qc1 Ra8 19. Nb5 axb5 20. Ra1 b4 0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Site "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Date "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Drzemicki, D."]
>>>>>[Black "Malis, J."]
>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>[ECO "B06"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2300"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2190"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "43"]
>>>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 g6 2. e4 c6 3. c3 d5 4. e5 a6 5. Bd3 b6 6. h4 h5 7. Qc2 Be6 8. Nh3 Qc8 9.
>>>>>Ng5 Bf5 10. Bxf5 Qxf5 11. Qe2 Nh6 12. Na3 a5 13. Nc2 Qc8 14. e6 f6 15. Nh3 Qa6
>>>>>16. Qf3 Kd8 17. Ne3 a4 18. Bd2 Qc4 19. Nc2 Qxd4 20. Qd3 Ra5 21. Qg3 Nf7 22.
>>>>>Qc7+ 0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Site "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Date "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Drzemicki, D."]
>>>>>[Black "Soltys, B."]
>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>[ECO "A40"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2300"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2270"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "55"]
>>>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 b5 2. e4 Bb7 3. Nd2 a6 4. Bd3 Nf6 5. Qe2 e6 6. Ngf3 c5 7. c3 cxd4 8. cxd4
>>>>>Nc6 9. O-O Be7 10. Nb3 d5 11. e5 Nd7 12. Bd2 Qb6 13. Rac1 b4 14. Be3 a5 15. Rc2
>>>>>a4 16. Nbd2 Qa5 17. b3 Nf8 18. bxa4 Ra6 19. Bxa6 Bd8 20. Qd3 Bxa6 21. Rxc6 Qc7
>>>>>22. Qc2 b3 23. Re1 g6 24. Rd1 Rg8 25. Qb2 bxa2 26. Qa3 h5 27. Rc2 Bc8 28. Qe7+
>>>>>0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Site "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Date "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Jakubowski, J."]
>>>>>[Black "Soltys, B."]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ECO "A40"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2250"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2270"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "28"]
>>>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 b5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Bf4 c5 4. e3 Qb6 5. Nc3 a6 6. dxc5 Bxc5 7. a4 b4 8. Ne4
>>>>>Nf6 9. a5 Qc6 10. Ng3 Qb5 11. Ne2 Ba7 12. Ng5 Bxe3 13. Nh3 Bxf4 14. g3 Qg5 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Site "Poznan"]
>>>>>[Date "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Jezierski, P."]
>>>>>[Black "Maciejewski, M."]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ECO "C84"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2310"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2365"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "81"]
>>>>>[EventDate "1987.??.??"]
>>>>>[SourceDate "2001.01.01"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. O-O Be7 7. e5 Ne4 8.
>>>>>Nxd4 O-O 9. Nf5 d5 10. exd6 Bf6 11. Bxc6 Bxf5 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bxa6 Bxb2 14.
>>>>>dxc7 Qxc7 15. Bxb2 Rxb2 16. Bd3 Bg6 17. Qf3 Ng5 18. Qe3 Ne6 19. Na3 Ra8 20. Nb5
>>>>>Qa5 21. a4 Rb4 22. Nc3 Rc8 23. Bb5 Rb2 24. Nd5 Rcxc2 25. Nf4 Nf8 26. Nxg6 hxg6
>>>>>27. Rac1 Qc7 28. h3 Ne6 29. Rxc2 Qxc2 30. Rc1 Rb1 31. Rxb1 Qxb1+ 32. Kh2 Qb4
>>>>>33. Qe5 Kh7 34. Bd7 Nc5 35. Qd6 Qc3 36. Be8 Qc4 37. a5 Ne4 38. Qg3 g5 39. Qxg5
>>>>>Kg8 40. f4 Qc8 41. Bc6 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>/S
>>>>
>>>>That is bad...what's the solution to such incompetence?
>>>
>>>
>>> I would suggest to buy one good DB and stick to that one for a start. My first
>>>choice would be ChessBase BigBase (or MegaBase if you want commented games). CB
>>>has an excellent PlayerBase with nicely workedthrough tournaments. Second choice
>>>would be the ChessAssistent Base - but I'm not so familiar with this one. Just
>>>heard reports from other collectors. Then be very careful with what games you
>>>add yourself - meaning checking out names and tournaments. Of course it's also
>>>possible to buy a new DB each year but...
>>>
>>>/S
>> Just keep downloading from TWIC weekly.. and Paste into the database you have.
>>No need to buy another.
>
>
> Mixing TWIC up with what? CB:s Big or Mega? Okey - then you will have Carlsen,
>Magnus + Carlsen, M --- Timman, Jan + Timman, J etcetera in your playerbase. I
>like TWIC but they have mostly one letter for the first name. In bad DB:s you
>can find like 20 spellings of Kortschnoj, Viktor...
>
>/S
So what? Just click on Players and all are listed in Alphbetical Order.
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