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Subject: Re: Dutch Open: the story of the game Fruit - Diep

Author: JNoomen

Date: 01:50:52 11/20/05

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On November 20, 2005 at 04:44:35, Ryan B. wrote:

Hi Ryan,

Vincent claims that Diep would win every game from Fruit in that position. So I
merely take up the challenge :-).

Jeroen



>What you are doing now is what I think people would call beating a dead horse.
>There is no need for this.  It is easier to get over the fact that Arturo and
>Vincent won this time and better prepare for the next time you meet.  No matter
>the outcome of the next match I hope there is much less bitterness after the
>next game.
>
>Ryan Benitez
>
>On November 20, 2005 at 03:28:47, JNoomen wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2005 at 16:19:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>
>>Hi Arturo,
>>
>>There is no need to reveil any of your preparation, as you were out of book
>>earlier than Fruit. Diep calculated the move ... Qc7 by itself. As I stated in
>>my posting the position after 19.Kb1! is better for white. Not only I did this
>>by giving a very thorough explanation why this is the case, I also provided
>>games as a proof. Computers misplay this position as they overrate their attack.
>>
>>I proposed Vincent to play a rematch to find out whether his claim 'we all
>>prepared this and Fruit will always lose against Diep from this position' is
>>true. He declined. So here I am doing it again: we play a game Fruit - Diep from
>>the position after 19.Kb1.
>>
>>Jeroen
>>
>>
>>
>>>On November 19, 2005 at 15:39:50, JNoomen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 19, 2005 at 15:02:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Vincent,
>>>>
>>>>As I proposed to you: I would like to play a rematch Fruit - Diep with the move
>>>>19.Kb1 being played. As I now have a 3-0 with Fruit against Fritz 9 with 19.Kb1,
>>>>I am confident that Fruit will beat Diep as well.
>>>>
>>>>So name a time, a place and a date, I am ready for it!
>>>>
>>>>Jeroen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PS  For the readers here at CCC: I proposed to play a game with 19.Kb1 after the
>>>>match ended, which was refused by Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I had decided not to reply all the garbage written here. However, my patience
>>>with the baby crying is over. Since you don't stop to cry again and again, I am
>>>very confident that Diep would beat you again. Diep already did it with the
>>>Erdogan Book as well as with my lines that you use to call "craps" in every
>>>Tournaments. In this specific Tournament, every Jeroen's line was not able to
>>>beat my "crappy lines", eventhough you had the advantages to be in 3 engines:
>>>Fruit, ProDeo and Sjeng (all version of your book).
>>>
>>>Diep doesn't have to play a specific line or game against you, because we won
>>>the battle on that game. It is not a problem for Diep or me, if you failed in
>>>that game.
>>>
>>>I won't discuss my prepration here because I won't reveal what I prepared
>>>against your "great openings". Second, it would be very silly to play after a
>>>certain line that you have "prepared" very well.
>>>
>>>Well, as far as I know, Fritz 9 is a chessbase engine or you are accussing us ob
>>>being clones of Fritz 9? I know, Diep and Fritz 9 are different engines, and
>>>they play differently. If you want to know what we prepared there, wait until
>>>the next Official Tournament.
>>>
>>>Arturo Ochoa M.
>>>
>>>PD: Your analysis is lack of concrete variations by the way.......



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