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Subject: Re: Hydra . Kasi - the error is not at 26 but at 34 (revised)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:41:42 11/20/05

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On November 20, 2005 at 15:41:30, A. Steen wrote:

>On November 20, 2005 at 13:39:30, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2005 at 13:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2005.11.20"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Hydra"]
>>>[Black "Kasimyanov"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[Annotator "Hob"]
>>>[PlyCount "59"]
>>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O
>>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3
>>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1
>>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4
>>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 *
>>>
>>>
>>>99,999% sure 1-0?
>>>
>>>JOuni
>>
>>I do not understand 26...Rag8
>>Even I could easily avoid that move against a computer because it is easy to see
>>that it gives a pawn.
>>
>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "2005.11.20"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Hydra"]
>>[Black "Kasimyanov"]
>>[Result "*"]
>>[Annotator "Hob"]
>>[PlyCount "59"]
>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>>
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O
>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3
>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1
>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4
>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 hxg4 31.Nxg4 Nxg4 32.Bxg4 Bxg4  33.Rxf4 Bh5 34.Qf1 Bg3
>>35.Rf7 Qh6 36.Bd2*
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>[D]r6k/p2bq3/np1p1brn/1NpPp1pp/1PP1Pp2/P2Q1P1P/1R3NP1/3BBRK1 b - - 0 26
>
>Uri, with great respect, in this position 26 .. Ra-g8 is a fine move and made at
>the perfect time (in my opinion).  White's pieces (especially the N on b5) are
>not well-placed for a defence on the K-side, and white has not yet begun a pawn
>push on the Q-side. To delay is not wise, white may regroup and bring his
>misplaced N back. But see the last para before replying.
>
>After grabbing the P the WN is badly out of play, and black can attack strongly
>on the K-side.
>
>[D]6rk/N2bq3/np1p1brn/2pPp1pp/1PP1Pp2/P2Q1P1P/1R3NP1/3BBRK1 b - - 0 27
>
>Speaking only from the perspective of a human player, here I think 27 .. Q-h7
>(or after 27 .. g4 as actually played) and black is fine even against strong
>computers. After his K-side pawn push, the h-file is forced open and then BQ can
>eventually occupy h4 or h3.  White may have to fight for the draw.
>
>In the game played, I think Kasimdzhanov misplaced the Q on the g-file on move
>29. Its place is on the h-file (h7), or maybe on f6 to menace h4.
>
>But even after this inaccuracy, black had equality, up to this point IMO-
>
>[D]6rk/6q1/npNp2r1/2pPp2b/1PP1PR1b/P1B4P/1R4P1/5QK1 b - - 0 34
>
>Now all black has to do is retreat with 34 .. B-f6 (obviously not e7 or d8 else
>white can exchange his compromised knight), and next move correct his error
>(from move 29) and put the Q on the h-file.  White is in a bind, and can only
>draw this.
>
>But unfortunately Kasimdzhanov blundered here with 34 .. B-g3?, at which point
>it is 1-0 in my opinion.  HE ALLOWED THE WR TO ENTER HIS 7th RANK BY THIS
>BLUNDER!!  And also activated the Q-side WN, which can enter quickly via the 7th
>rank.
>
>[D]6rk/6q1/npNp2r1/2pPp2b/1PP1PR2/P1B3bP/1R4P1/5QK1 w - - 0 35
>
>Hydra of course found 35 R-f7, and now the human could safely resign. I don't
>have the moves after 36 B-d2 but I would predict Hydra will exchange and push a
>pawn storm through, with its R on the 7th it has nothing to fear on the K-side.
>
>Now please set it up with the programs and show me I am wrong in my human
>overview.
>
>Uri, given that K. was not able to handle the tactics properly, you too are also
>right that K. should have avoided them by keeping his R on the a-file and not
>playing 26. Ra-g8. :)
>
>
>-A.S.

Fruit cannot see advantage for black by 26...Rag8 27.Nxa7
Note that black could get equality and maybe more than it by other means.

34...Bf6 probably lead to equality but draw does not justify 26...Rag8.


27...Qh7 28.Nc6 g4 29.hxg4 Bh4 30.Qc3 hxg4 31.fxg4 R8g7 32.Qh3 Bxf2+ 33.Bxf2
Bxg4 34.Bxg4 Nxg4 35.Qxh7+ Rxh7 36.Re1 Rgh6 37.Kf1 Rh1+ 38.Ke2 R1h2 39.Kf3 Nxf2
40.Rxf2
  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 19/53   00:23:11  798200kN

(,  21.11.2005)


Hydra - Kasimyanov, II Man vs Machine, Bilbao 2005
6rk/6q1/npNp2r1/2pPp2b/1PP1PR1b/P1B4P/1R4P1/5QK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:


34...Bf6 35.Rf5 Qh6 36.Ra2 R8g7 37.Kh1 Bg4 38.Bd2 Qh4 39.Be1 Qh6 40.Bd2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/40   00:01:49  69969kN

(,  21.11.2005)



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