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Subject: Re: Why not 26.....g4

Author: Thomas Logan

Date: 17:50:11 11/20/05

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On November 20, 2005 at 19:47:12, A. Steen wrote:

>On November 20, 2005 at 18:09:28, Thomas Logan wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2005 at 17:55:28, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On November 20, 2005 at 15:41:30, A. Steen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 20, 2005 at 13:39:30, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 20, 2005 at 13:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"]
>>>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>>>[Date "2005.11.20"]
>>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>>[White "Hydra"]
>>>>>>[Black "Kasimyanov"]
>>>>>>[Result "*"]
>>>>>>[Annotator "Hob"]
>>>>>>[PlyCount "59"]
>>>>>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O
>>>>>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3
>>>>>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1
>>>>>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4
>>>>>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>99,999% sure 1-0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JOuni
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not understand 26...Rag8
>>>>>Even I could easily avoid that move against a computer because it is easy to see
>>>>>that it gives a pawn.
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"]
>>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>>[Date "2005.11.20"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Hydra"]
>>>>>[Black "Kasimyanov"]
>>>>>[Result "*"]
>>>>>[Annotator "Hob"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "59"]
>>>>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O
>>>>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3
>>>>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1
>>>>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4
>>>>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 hxg4 31.Nxg4 Nxg4 32.Bxg4 Bxg4  33.Rxf4 Bh5 34.Qf1 Bg3
>>>>>35.Rf7 Qh6 36.Bd2*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[D]r6k/p2bq3/np1p1brn/1NpPp1pp/1PP1Pp2/P2Q1P1P/1R3NP1/3BBRK1 b - - 0 26
>>>>
>>>>Uri, with great respect, in this position 26 .. Ra-g8 is a fine move and made at
>>>>the perfect time (in my opinion).  White's pieces (especially the N on b5) are
>>>>not well-placed for a defence on the K-side, and white has not yet begun a pawn
>>>>push on the Q-side. To delay is not wise, white may regroup and bring his
>>>>misplaced N back.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nonsense, to delay would have been _very_ wise.
>>>Black has nothing to fear on the Qeenside and should strive for a quiet
>>>manouvering game, not for an all-out suicidal attack against the Supercomputer.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>If there is an exchange of minor pieces on g4 the pawn on a7 is protected and
>>rook on a8 is free to move without pawn sac
>
>Tom, there are two small errors in your understanding.  Not that 26 .. g4 is an
>error, just that 26 .. Ra-g8 is superior.
>
>1. The pawn sac is irrelevant. There is either a mating attack or a perpetual on
>the K-side, what matters the QRP? The benefit of the so-called "sac" is to
>divert the WN to a7 where it is out of play, and gain a tempo while so doing
>(more tempi if the WN is attempted to be extricated).
>
>2. Black has a potentially dangerous weakness on d6 which is attacked by the WN
>when it is on b5.  In some of the variations arising from a premature .. g4
>attack, this counter-attack with the WN on d6 would turn the tide against black.
> The WN on a7 is safely out of play. :)
>
>26. .. Ra-g8 is more clean-cut than 26 .. g4.  A draw, or if white deviates, a
>win for black.
>
>Oops. Black lost. But that is from a beginner's blunder on move 34.  The correct
>move there made the draw certain even in the eyes of the computers.
>
>A study of-
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463219
>
>will show how mistaken various people's dismissals of the soundness of black's
>tactics are (up to the move 34 blunder, that is).  It is white who is made to
>walk the tightrope, not black.  It is white who has to sue for a draw, not
>black.
>
>Kasimdzhanov is an extremely brilliant super-GM. If you don't trust me, just
>trust him (except where he makes an obvious blunder at 34., that is. and falls
>off even though he is not on a tightrope...)
>
>>Tom
>
>Personally - and I am not referring to you here, Tom - I find it very amusing
>how obvious patzers (to whom I could probably give Q-odds OTB and win every
>game) have the boldness to dismiss the analysis of superior players as
>"nonsense" and also insultingly belittle a brilliancy (26. .. Ra-g8) by one of
>the world's greatest chess players,  Four years ago, Kasimdzhanov topped 2700 in
>the past, ranking #11 in the world.
>
>Best,
>
>A.S.

OK thanks

If Hydra did not bite on a7 transposition is likely - no ?

btw I agree move 34 was a blunder

I saw that as soon as it was made

Tom





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