Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 00:33:29 11/21/05
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On November 20, 2005 at 19:22:25, A. Steen wrote: >On November 20, 2005 at 17:55:28, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On November 20, 2005 at 15:41:30, A. Steen wrote: >> >>>On November 20, 2005 at 13:39:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 20, 2005 at 13:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>> >>>>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"] >>>>>[Site "?"] >>>>>[Date "2005.11.20"] >>>>>[Round "?"] >>>>>[White "Hydra"] >>>>>[Black "Kasimyanov"] >>>>>[Result "*"] >>>>>[Annotator "Hob"] >>>>>[PlyCount "59"] >>>>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"] >>>>> >>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O >>>>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3 >>>>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1 >>>>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4 >>>>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>99,999% sure 1-0? >>>>> >>>>>JOuni >>>> >>>>I do not understand 26...Rag8 >>>>Even I could easily avoid that move against a computer because it is easy to see >>>>that it gives a pawn. >>>> >>>>[Event "II Man vs Machine, Bilbao"] >>>>[Site "?"] >>>>[Date "2005.11.20"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Hydra"] >>>>[Black "Kasimyanov"] >>>>[Result "*"] >>>>[Annotator "Hob"] >>>>[PlyCount "59"] >>>>[EventDate "2005.??.??"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Na6 8. O-O >>>>c6 9. d5 Ng4 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bh4 c5 12. Ne1 Nh6 13. a3 Bd7 14. Nd3 g5 15. Bg3 >>>>Qe7 16. f3 f5 17. Bf2 f4 18. b4 b6 19. h3 Nf7 20. Rb1 h5 21. Rb2 Nh6 22. Be1 >>>>Bf6 23. Nf2 Kh8 24. Qd3 Rg8 25. Nb5 Rg6 26. Bd1 Rag8 27. Nxa7 g4 28. fxg4 Bh4 >>>>29. Nc6 Qg7 30. Bc3 hxg4 31.Nxg4 Nxg4 32.Bxg4 Bxg4 33.Rxf4 Bh5 34.Qf1 Bg3 >>>>35.Rf7 Qh6 36.Bd2* >>>> >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>[D]r6k/p2bq3/np1p1brn/1NpPp1pp/1PP1Pp2/P2Q1P1P/1R3NP1/3BBRK1 b - - 0 26 >>> >>>Uri, with great respect, in this position 26 .. Ra-g8 is a fine move and made at >>>the perfect time (in my opinion). White's pieces (especially the N on b5) are >>>not well-placed for a defence on the K-side, and white has not yet begun a pawn >>>push on the Q-side. To delay is not wise, white may regroup and bring his >>>misplaced N back. >> >> >>Nonsense > >I speak "nonsense", do I? Let us see. > >>, to delay would have been _very_ wise. > >GM Kasimdzhanov and I don't agree. Nor do the other commentators who are strong >players. > >Delaying might cause white to retrieve his knight from its mispositioning on b5 >so it can no longer be te,pted with the irrelevant pawn. > >That GM Kasimdzhanov lost is because he made an elementary blunder 8 moves >later. Though he did not find the absolutely optimal line (IMO 27. .. Q-h7), >even in the line he chose he could have drawn easily with 34. .. B-f6. As Uri's >analysis with Fruitchess confirmed. :) 0.00. You completely miss the point, loudmouth. The human had no reason to play for a draw in this game. He got an excellent position and should have played for the win _without_ taking any risks. It is well known that computers generally do not play this type of positions well and Hydra is no exception. >>Black has nothing to fear on the Qeenside > >Even in the time of Philidor, the error of your analysis would have been >obvious. :) What are you talking about?? I didn´t provide any analysis. >> and should strive for a quiet >>manouvering game, not for an all-out suicidal attack against the Supercomputer. > >If you were correct that the resulting black attack is "suicidal", you would be >correct in asserting I am speaking "nonsense". >But in this thread- > >http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463219 > >There, I prove that black's attack is anything but suicidal. You prove absolutely nothing. This wasn´t a correspondence game, it was an OTB game and the human once again failed completely after he unnecessarily opened the position. Michael >In fact, if at any stage white deviates from one tightrope sequence of moves, >then white loses. > >I agree that it is less than unlikely that Hydra would deviate. > >And the result, a draw, which would be an excellent result for K. Why play on >for hours as black when the stupid computer can be tricked into grabbing a pawn >and leading to a forced draw? > >It is black who drives the game. All shown in- > >http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463219 > >>Michael > >Next time, please mind your tongue, thanks, and check before claiming someone >speaks "nonsense". :) > >If you have refutations of my analysis in- > >http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463219 > >then please provide them. I won't hold my breath. > >Best, > >A.S.
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