Author: KarinsDad
Date: 22:42:14 03/19/99
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On March 18, 1999 at 18:18:17, Hristo wrote:
>On March 18, 1999 at 14:37:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 1999 at 02:17:15, Hristo wrote:
>>
>>>On March 17, 1999 at 14:13:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
[snip]
>>>cool-off Bob ... :)
>>>Life is good, and these days its even better for "computer-chess enthusiasts"
>>>...we have crafty, no ? ...
>>>How would you feel if we tried to cut off your tounge every time you misled or
>>>lied ... ???
>>
>>wouldn't bother me, because I don't do either. I make mistakes. I do _not_
>>tell 'lies'. (a lie is an untruth told knowing it was untrue).
>>
>>
>>>"accountability" is something you can talk about only if you KNOW
>>>the truth, and if you don't, well, then you are nothing more, but a *bloody*
>>>politic convincing everybody what constitutes a 'death penalty'.
>>>There will always be enough people to setup chess servers for people to play
>>>...and we need free people there that behave like realy *free* people.
>>>
>>>Cheers.
>>>Hristo
>>
>>
>>your last point is baloney however. In computing, accountability is
>>_everything_, otherwise _nothing_ can be trusted, and it becomes useless
>>to everyone. We don't allow account sharing, period. And to enforce that,
>>we have a simple policy that every user reads/signs before they get an
>>account. So that when person XXX does something against our lab policies,
>>we know who to blame, without having to put up with "but I let YYY use my
>>account for a class project" and when you go to YYY, he says "But I let AAA
>>and BBB both use his password"
>>
>>This way, justice is swift and accurate, and we simply _don't_ have that problem
>>here.
>>
>>Most workplaces consider this grounds for firing in fact. UAB is one of those,
>>as the university policy is 'your account is private for your use and your use
>>only."
>
>.. thank you ...
>The "accountability" you are talking about is used to delegate blame when
>something goes wrong. Then your boss comes into your office and "smacks" you on
>the head, then you go to the floor bellow and "smack" somebody else, even harder
>... :)))
Yes, but this accountability is also used to ensure security and the common good
in addition to possibly delegating blame. Chaos does not work well in an
electronic age. Lack of accountability and security lead to chaos.
>On the Internet you don't have this option, and more often than not,
>the actual details of why something happened are unclear. Hence "accountability"
>could be viewed also as "prejudice".
Actually, you have a similar level of accountability on the Internet. You did
have to use a password to get onto this forum or onto one of the chess servers.
You did have to use some form of ISP to get onto the Internet (assuming that you
do not tap into it illegally).
Things are often just as clear here. The problems occur when people are either
unreasonable (or irrational) or they purposely try to muddy the waters by taking
other people's writings out of context or by outright making up falsehoods or
inflamatory statements.
And I did not understand your link between accoutability and prejudice. Did you
mean that accountability could be viewed as injustice? Please explain.
>Furthermore on the Internet people have more options to choose from and more
>ways to respond when unhappy. You should remeber ... not long ago, there was a
>person that didn't like you too much. That person wanted to hold you
>responsible("accountable") for your actions and words. That person was "sure"
>that you deserve some punishment or something. Had he had the power, he would
>have performed a *swift and accurate justice* over your head. Remember that?!
>
>Simply by saing this you enter the realm of denail ... "What is the definition
>of 'is'?" ... :)
>>wouldn't bother me, because I don't do either. I make mistakes. I do _not_
>>tell 'lies'. (a lie is an untruth told knowing it was untrue).
>
>If you have never 'lied' or 'missled' then please, accept my apology !!!
You have made several inferences in your last two messages that Robert is
untruthful. What is this, pick on Robert day? Please refrain from this. It's not
constructive nor does it relate to computer chess.
Thanks,
KarinsDad :)
>
>Hristo
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