Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:15:28 11/21/05
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On November 20, 2005 at 21:19:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 20, 2005 at 20:56:42, Sherry Windsor wrote: > >>Dr Hyatt now admits reluctantly that computers are now GM strength, >>unfortunately he is still stubbornly stating that they are not over 2600? To me >>this looks very prejudicial. I think they are easily playing at the 2750 level. > >Define "computers". > >Do you mean a big multi-cpu opteron, or a single-cpu home system? > >There is a huge difference... > >I don't admit anything "reluctantly". In 1995 when this discussion started, >computers were nowhere near GM strength. Deep thought at that time was maybe GM strength. Other programs were weaker than it at that time but they clearly had chances against GM's I remember that Fritz3 on P90 drew against 3 GM's in a tournament near 1995(it may be 1994 and I am not sure exactly) and it got the IM norm in that tournament(it had bigger problems against weaker players who prepared more against it and not against the GM's) They are now clearly playing at that >level, thanks to great advances in hardware speed from 1995. I think that if we talk about 120/40 time control then about half of the improvement from 1995 is from software. If you give programs of 1995 the hardware of today then it is not clear if they can win against program of today with the hardware of 1995. But they are not >quite super-GM (2700+) yet, unless you talk about very pricey hardware. Not a >$500 home computer. We do not have evidence to say that they are not(2700+) I remember that tiger14 on a slow hardware(I think something near 1000ghz) already achieved performance of more than 2700 and tiger14 is not the best software. Of course you can claim that the humans did not play anti-computer but the fact is that we do not have evidence to say something and unfortunately it seems that humans have not big motivation to get good results(otherwise they could play in better anti-computer style). The only way to know is if fide is going to allow computers to play in tournaments and get fide rating and unfortunately I do not expect it to happen. Uri
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