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Subject: Re: Analysis Shredder 9.1 UCI

Author: Mario Thomas

Date: 13:24:09 11/21/05

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On November 21, 2005 at 15:38:59, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On November 21, 2005 at 14:55:58, Arifur Rahman wrote:
>
>>The position after 39 Qg3 seems to be a difficult for the chess programs, not
>>only for Fritz 9.
>>
>>I checked the position with Shredder 9.
>
>Ponomariov - Fritz, Man vs. Machine, Bilbao05
>
>[D]6k1/5p2/pn1p4/N2p2p1/PP1Pp2q/1BrbP1QP/6K1/4R3 b - - 0 1
>11152352: Ponomariov - Fritz, II Man vs Machine, Bilbao 2005
6k1/5p2/pn1p4/N2p2p1/PP1Pp2q/1BrbP1QP/6K1/4R3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 9:AMD Sampron 2200+ 1500 MHz

39...Nc4 40.Qxh4 gxh4 41.Bd1 Nxa5 42.bxa5 f6 43.Rg1 Kf7
  -+  (-2.14)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  34kN
39...Nc4 40.Qxh4 gxh4 41.Bd1 Nxa5 42.bxa5 Kf8 43.Rg1 Ra3 44.Kf2 Ra2+
  -+  (-2.15)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  87kN
39...Nc4 40.Qxh4 gxh4 41.Bd1 Nxa5 42.bxa5 Kf8 43.Rg1 Ra3 44.Kf2 Ra2+ 45.Ke1
  -+  (-2.15)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:00  227kN
39...Qxg3+!
  -+  (-2.15)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:00  301kN
39...Qxg3+!
  -+  (-2.31)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:00  354kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kf2 Kf7 42.Bd1 Kf6 43.Kg3 Bc2 44.Bxc2 Rxc2
  -+  (-2.53)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:00  462kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kf2 Kf7 42.Bd1 f4 43.Rh1 fxe3+ 44.Kxe3 Bb5+ 45.Kd2 Rd3+
46.Ke2 Nxa4
  -+  (-2.59)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:01  820kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 fxe3
46.Nc6
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:02  1727kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 fxe3
46.Kg5 Ke7 47.Nc6+
  -+  (-2.61)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:04  2629kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 fxe3
46.Kg5 Ke7 47.Nc6+ Kd7
  -+  (-2.53)   Depth: 13/33   00:00:06  4714kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 Rxe3
46.Rxe3 fxe3
  -+  (-2.65)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:15  12019kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 Rxe3
46.Rxe3 fxe3
  -+  (-2.65)   Depth: 15/35   00:00:33  27007kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 Kf7 42.h4 gxh4 43.Kh3 Bc4 44.Bd1 f4 45.Kxh4 Rxe3
46.Rxe3 fxe3
  -+  (-2.50)   Depth: 16/40   00:01:26  70428kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 f4 42.Rg1 Kh7 43.Rxg5 fxe3 44.Rg1 Bc2 45.Bxc2 Rxc2+
46.Kg3
  -+  (-2.68)   Depth: 17/48   00:03:35  178877kN
39...Qxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Kh2 f4 42.Rg1 Kh7 43.Rxg5 fxe3 44.Rg1 Bc2 45.Bxc2 Rxc2+
46.Kg3
  -+  (-2.68)   Depth: 18/50   00:07:21  366489kN
39...Nc4!
  -+  (-2.69)   Depth: 18/50   00:10:03  506916kN
39...Nc4 40.Qxh4 gxh4 41.Bxc4 dxc4 42.b5 axb5 43.axb5 Rc2+ 44.Kg1 Rb2 45.Rc1 d5
46.Nc6 Kf8 47.Na7 Ke8 48.Nc8 Kd7 49.Na7
  -+  (-2.74)   Depth: 18/50   00:10:38  538218kN
39...Nc4 40.Qxh4 gxh4 41.Bxc4 dxc4 42.b5 axb5 43.axb5 Ra3 44.Nb7 c3 45.Nxd6 Rb3
46.b6 Rxb6 47.Nc8 Rg6+ 48.Kf2 Kf8 49.Ra1
  -+  (-2.85)   Depth: 19/43   00:13:26  687580kN
39...Qxg3+!
  -+  (-2.85)   Depth: 19/48   00:18:28  938309kN
39...Qxg3+!
  -+  (-3.01)   Depth: 19/48   00:23:40  1195854kN
39...Qxg3+!
  -+  (-3.29)   Depth: 20/55   01:09:45  3456034kN

(Thomas, Hearst 21.11.2005)

>Analysis by Shredder 9.1 UCI (only on a P3 600 MHz):
>
>39...Dxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Tg1 f4+ 42.Kh2 fxe3 43.Txg5+ Kf7 44.Tg1 Lc4 45.Lxc4
>dxc4 46.b5 axb5 47.axb5 Ta3 48.Sc6 Tb3 49.Tf1+ Ke6
>  -+  (-2.40)   Tiefe: 14/33   00:00:27  3591kN
>39...Dxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Tg1 f4+ 42.Kh2 fxe3 43.Txg5+ Kh7 44.Tg1 Lc2 45.Lxc2
>Txc2+ 46.Kg3 Sxa4
>  -+  (-2.64)   Tiefe: 15/36   00:00:46  6445kN
>39...Dxg3+ 40.Kxg3 f5 41.Tg1 f4+ 42.Kh2 fxe3 43.Txg5+ Kh7 44.Tg1 Lc2 45.Lxc2
>Txc2+ 46.Kg3 Sxa4 47.Kf4 Th2 48.Kg3 Tf2 49.Sb7
>  -+  (-2.69)   Tiefe: 16/39   00:01:17  10800kN
>
>(Nemeth, Privat 21.11.2005)
>
>
>>
>>After 8 minutes at depth 19 Shredder 9 likes the move 39...Bc2?? also. Shredder
>>rates the move as the second best (with eval -2.6) after the first choice Qg3.
>>
>>Maybe both Fritz and Shredder would discard the move totally with faster
>>hardware at deeper depth. Maybe Fritz didnt have enough time at move 39, just
>>before the time control.
>>
>>
>>/Arifur



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