Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 15:15:13 11/21/05
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On November 21, 2005 at 17:43:08, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 21, 2005 at 12:15:28, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 20, 2005 at 21:19:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On November 20, 2005 at 20:56:42, Sherry Windsor wrote: >>> >>>>Dr Hyatt now admits reluctantly that computers are now GM strength, >>>>unfortunately he is still stubbornly stating that they are not over 2600? To me >>>>this looks very prejudicial. I think they are easily playing at the 2750 level. >>> >>>Define "computers". >>> >>>Do you mean a big multi-cpu opteron, or a single-cpu home system? >>> >>>There is a huge difference... >>> >>>I don't admit anything "reluctantly". In 1995 when this discussion started, >>>computers were nowhere near GM strength. >> >>Deep thought at that time was maybe GM strength. >> > >Poor wording on my part. "personal computer programs". As in mass-market. The >hardware was simply too slow. Deep Thought was a different kind of animal... > > > >>Other programs were weaker than it at that time but they clearly had chances >>against GM's > >a 2200 player has chances. I have seen them win occasional games from GM >players in events like the US Open. > > > >> >>I remember that Fritz3 on P90 drew against 3 GM's in a tournament near 1995(it >>may be 1994 and I am not sure exactly) and it got the IM norm in that >>tournament(it had bigger problems against weaker players who prepared more >>against it and not against the GM's) >> >> They are now clearly playing at that >>>level, thanks to great advances in hardware speed from 1995. >> >>I think that if we talk about 120/40 time control then about half of the >>improvement from 1995 is from software. >> >>If you give programs of 1995 the hardware of today then it is not clear if they >>can win against program of today with the hardware of 1995. > >No, but I'll bet most programs of 1995 would do about as well against humans on >today's hardware as current programs. > > > >> >> But they are not >>>quite super-GM (2700+) yet, unless you talk about very pricey hardware. Not a >>>$500 home computer. >> >>We do not have evidence to say that they are not(2700+) > >Nor do we have any evidence that says they are, either... > Bob, this is simply not true. Do I have to back and dig up the data for all the Argentina man vs machine events? Remember that thread? Couldn't have been more than 2-3 months ago. Unfortunately, the CCC search engine doesn't seem to have posts from the last few months. -Peter
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