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Subject: Re: Dr. Hyatt and Chess Ratings

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 15:15:13 11/21/05

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On November 21, 2005 at 17:43:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 21, 2005 at 12:15:28, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2005 at 21:19:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 20, 2005 at 20:56:42, Sherry Windsor wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr Hyatt now admits reluctantly that computers are now GM strength,
>>>>unfortunately he is still stubbornly stating that they are not over 2600? To me
>>>>this looks very prejudicial. I think they are easily playing at the 2750 level.
>>>
>>>Define "computers".
>>>
>>>Do you mean a big multi-cpu opteron, or a single-cpu home system?
>>>
>>>There is a huge difference...
>>>
>>>I don't admit anything "reluctantly".  In 1995 when this discussion started,
>>>computers were nowhere near GM strength.
>>
>>Deep thought at that time was maybe GM strength.
>>
>
>Poor wording on my part.  "personal computer programs".  As in mass-market.  The
>hardware was simply too slow.  Deep Thought was a different kind of animal...
>
>
>
>>Other programs were weaker than it at that time but they clearly had chances
>>against GM's
>
>a 2200 player has chances.  I have seen them win occasional games from GM
>players in events like the US Open.
>
>
>
>>
>>I remember that Fritz3 on P90 drew against 3 GM's in a tournament near 1995(it
>>may be 1994 and I am not sure exactly) and it got the IM norm in that
>>tournament(it had bigger problems against weaker players who prepared more
>>against it and not against the GM's)
>>
>>  They are now clearly playing at that
>>>level, thanks to great advances in hardware speed from 1995.
>>
>>I think that if we talk about 120/40 time control then about half of the
>>improvement from 1995 is from software.
>>
>>If you give programs of 1995 the hardware of today then it is not clear if they
>>can win against program of today with the hardware of 1995.
>
>No, but I'll bet most programs of 1995 would do about as well against humans on
>today's hardware as current programs.
>
>
>
>>
>>  But they are not
>>>quite super-GM (2700+) yet, unless you talk about very pricey hardware.  Not a
>>>$500 home computer.
>>
>>We do not have evidence to say that they are not(2700+)
>
>Nor do we have any evidence that says they are, either...
>


Bob, this is simply not true.  Do I have to back and dig up the data for all the
Argentina man vs machine events?  Remember that thread?  Couldn't have been more
than 2-3 months ago.

Unfortunately, the CCC search engine doesn't seem to have posts from the last
few months.

-Peter




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