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Subject: Re: Test Position. big difference in eval

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:40:19 11/21/05

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On November 21, 2005 at 22:21:44, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>
>After 10 minutes
>Deep Fritz 8     17.40
>Shredder 9 UCI     .80
>
> [D] 3qk3/8/8/8/8/8/2BBBBB1/4K3 w - - 0 1
>
>Deep Fritz 8:
>
>1.Bc6+ Ke7 2.Bh4+ Kd6 3.Bxd8 Kxc6 4.Be4+ Kd6 5.Bf6 Kd7 6.Bg4+ Ke8 7.Bdc3
>  +-  (17.07)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  665kN
>1.Bc6+ Ke7 2.Bh4+ Kd6 3.Bxd8 Kxc6 4.Be4+ Kd6 5.Bf6 Kd7 6.Bg4+ Ke8 7.Bdc3
>  +-  (17.07)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:01  1667kN
>1.Bc6+ Ke7 2.Bh4+ Kd6 3.Bxd8 Kxc6 4.Be4+ Kd6 5.Bf6 Kd7 6.Bb5+ Kd6 7.Bdc3 Kc5
>  +-  (17.09)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:02  4815kN
>1.Bc6+ Kf8 2.Bb4+ Kf7 3.Bc4+ Kg7 4.Bc3+
>  +-  (17.11)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:08  15475kN, tb=18
>1.Bc6+ Kf8 2.Bb4+ Kf7 3.Bc4+ Kg7 4.Bc3+
>  +-  (17.27)   Depth: 12/31   00:00:15  27605kN, tb=90
>1.Bc6+ Kf7 2.Bc4+ Kg7 3.Bc3+ Kh6 4.Be3+ Kh5 5.Kf1 Qd6 6.Bf3+ Kh4 7.Be1+ Qg3
>8.Bce4
>  +-  (17.18)   Depth: 13/34   00:00:48  87059kN, tb=1122
>1.Bc6+ Kf7 2.Bc4+ Kg7 3.Bc3+ Kh6 4.Be3+ Kh5 5.Bf3+ Kh4 6.Kf1 Qd6 7.Be1+ Qg3
>8.Bxg3+ Kxg3 9.Ke2 Kh4 10.Bce4
>  +-  (17.40)   Depth: 14/32   00:01:41  183517kN, tb=4723
>1.Bc6+ Kf7 2.Bc4+ Kg7 3.Bc3+ Kh6 4.Be3+ Kh5 5.Bf3+ Kh4 6.Kf1 Qd6 7.Be1+ Qg3
>8.Bxg3+ Kxg3 9.Ke2 Kh4 10.Bf5 Kg3
>  +-  (17.38)   Depth: 15/37   00:04:01  421197kN, tb=18427
>1.Bc6+ Kf7 2.Bc4+ Kg7 3.Bc3+ Kh6 4.Be3+ Qg5 5.Bxg5+ Kxg5 6.B2e4 Kf4 7.Bd4 Kg5
>8.Kd2 Kf4 9.Ke2 Kg4
>  +-  (17.42)   Depth: 16/40   00:09:38  1015785kN, tb=62774
>
>
>
>Shredder 9.1 UCI:
>
>1.Bb5+
>  +-  (3.81)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  424kN, tb=22
>1.Bb5+
>  +-  (4.16)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:01  427kN, tb=22
>1.Bb5+ Kf7 2.Bc4+ Kg7 3.Bb4 Qf6 4.Bg3 Qa1+ 5.Ke2 Qd4
>  +-  (8.36)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:01  443kN, tb=22
>1.Bb5+ Kf7
>  +-  (8.11)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  866kN, tb=119
>1.Bb5+ Kf7
>  +-  (7.61)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  876kN, tb=119
>1.Bb5+ Qd7 2.Bg6+ Kd8 3.Ba5+ Qc7 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Ba6+ Kb8 6.Bb4 Qe5+ 7.Kd2 Qb2+
>8.Kd3
>  +-  (3.61)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  898kN, tb=120
>1.Bb5+ Qd7
>  +-  (3.36)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:03  1710kN, tb=729
>1.Bb5+ Qd7
>  +-  (2.86)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:03  1725kN, tb=729
>1.Bb5+ Qd7 2.Bg6+ Kd8 3.Ba5+ Qc7 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Ba6+ Kb8 6.Bb6 Qxb6 7.Bad3
>  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:03  1813kN, tb=730
>1.Bh5+
>  ±  (1.23)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:03  2144kN, tb=786
>1.Bh5+ Kf8 2.Bc3
>  ±  (1.23)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:03  2270kN, tb=810
>1.Bh5+ Kf8
>  ±  (0.98)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:04  3485kN, tb=2467
>1.Bh5+ Kf8 2.Bh6+ Kg8 3.Kf1 Qa5 4.Bg4 Qa1+ 5.Ke2 Qa6+
>  ±  (0.89)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:05  3655kN, tb=2548
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ±  (1.17)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:10  7482kN, tb=15928
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ±  (1.17)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:10  7482kN, tb=15928
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ±  (1.17)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:10  7482kN, tb=15928
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ±  (1.17)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:17  12726kN, tb=23990
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ±  (0.92)   Depth: 13/33   00:00:34  26908kN, tb=72300
>1.Bg6+ Kf8 2.Bh6+ Ke7 3.Bg5+ Kd7 4.Bf5+ Kc7 5.Bge3 Qf6 6.Bf4+ Qd6
>  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:07  51381kN, tb=98724
>1.Bg6+ Kf8
>  ²  (0.57)   Depth: 14/37   00:02:13  96173kN, tb=239873
>1.Bg6+ Kf8 2.Bh6+ Ke7 3.Bg5+ Kd7 4.Bh3+ Kc7 5.Bb5
>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 14/37   00:02:23  104218kN, tb=270267
>1.Bh5+
>  ²  (0.27)   Depth: 14/37   00:03:03  131796kN, tb=432409
>1.Bh5+
>  ²  (0.62)   Depth: 14/37   00:03:18  143117kN, tb=471797
>1.Bh5+ Kf8 2.Bh6+ Ke7 3.Ke2 Qa5 4.Bh4+ Kd6 5.Bf8+ Kc7 6.Bg3+ Kb6 7.Bhf3 Qb5+
>8.Ke1 Qc5 9.Kf1 Qb5+ 10.Kg1
>  ±  (1.17)   Depth: 14/37   00:03:42  161509kN, tb=493117
>1.Bh5+ Kf8
>  ±  (0.92)   Depth: 15/37   00:04:38  203173kN, tb=643008
>1.Bh5+ Kf8 2.Bh6+ Ke7 3.Ke2 Qa5 4.Bh4+ Kd6 5.Bf8+ Kc7 6.Bg3+ Kd8
>  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 15/38   00:05:05  222802kN, tb=699532
>1.Bed3
>  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 15/39   00:07:25  326213kN, tb=1103061
>1.Bed3
>  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 15/39   00:07:47  341824kN, tb=1117707
>1.Bed3 Qf6
>  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 15/39   00:08:54  390556kN, tb=1163703
>1.Bcd3
>  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 15/39   00:10:29  458387kN, tb=1365932
>1.Bcd3 Qf6
>  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 15/39   00:10:50  474208kN, tb=1401550

Shredder has clear bugs

Qd7 is not evaluated as losing(I use all the 4 piece tablebases and all the 3 vs
2 tablebases(3 vs 2 but not 4 vs 1)

Note that it has no problem to see immidiately win for KBB vs K without
tablebases but 3 bishops confuse it

New game,
[D]4k3/8/8/8/8/8/8/2BBBK2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

1.Kg1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:01
1.Kg1 Kd8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 2/2   00:00:01
1.Kg1 Kd8 2.Kf1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 3/4   00:00:01
1.Kg1 Kd8 2.Kf1 Kc8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4/6   00:00:01
1.Kg1 Kd8 2.Kf1 Kc8 3.Kg1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:01
1.Kg1 Kd8 2.Kf1 Kc8 3.Kg1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:01  3kN
1.Ba4+
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  4kN
1.Ba4+ Kd8 2.Bh4+ Kc8 3.Bd7+ Kxd7
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  5kN
1.Bc3
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  6kN
1.Bc3 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Kg1
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  8kN
1.Kg2
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  9kN
1.Kg2 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Bb4
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  10kN
1.Be3
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  11kN
1.Be3 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Kg1
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  11kN
1.Bf4
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  12kN
1.Bf4 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Kg1
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  13kN
1.Bf4 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Bg4+ Kb7
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 7/18   00:00:01  21kN
1.Bf4 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Bg4+
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 8/18   00:00:01  41kN
1.Bf4 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Bg4+ Kb7
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:02  84kN
1.Bf4 Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke8 3.Bh5+ Kd8 4.Bh4+ Kc8 5.Bg4+
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:03  162kN
1.Bh5+
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:04  259kN
1.Bh5+ Kd7 2.Bg4+ Ke7 3.Bb4+ Kd8 4.Bh6
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:04  279kN
1.Bh5+ Kd7 2.Bg4+ Kc6 3.Kg1 Kb5
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 11/28   00:00:05  470kN
1.Bh5+ Kd7 2.Bg4+ Kc6 3.Kg1 Kb5 4.Bh4 Ka6 5.Kg2 Ka5 6.Be1+ Ka4 7.Bd7+ Kb3 8.Bh4
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:05  863kN
1.Ba4+
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:06  1066kN
1.Ba4+ Kf7 2.Bb4 Kg6 3.Bc2+ Kf7 4.Bf5
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:06  1178kN
1.Ba4+ Kf7 2.Bb3+ Kg7 3.Kg1
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:07  2180kN
1.Bb2
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:07  2401kN
1.Bb2 Kd7 2.Bbc3 Kc6 3.Kg1
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:07  2432kN
1.Bb2 Kd7 2.Bbc3 Kc6 3.Kg1 Kb5 4.Be2+ Kc6 5.Bc4 Kb6 6.Bf2+ Kb7 7.Bd5+ Kc8 8.Bb7+
Kb8 9.Bf6
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:08  3900kN
1.Bb2 Kd7 2.Bf6 Kc6 3.Ba4+ Kd5
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 15/34   00:00:09  6673kN
1.Bg4
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 15/34   00:00:13  11218kN
1.Bg4 Kf7 2.Bg5 Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf7
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 15/34   00:00:13  11251kN
1.Bg4 Kf7 2.Bg5 Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf7 4.Bd1 Kg6 5.Bc2+ Kf7 6.Bb3+ Kg6
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 16/34   00:00:13  11609kN
1.Bg4 Kf7 2.Bg5 Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf7 4.Bd1 Kg6 5.Bc2+ Kf7 6.Bb3+ Kg6 7.Bd1 Kf5 8.Kg1
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 17/34   00:00:18  16126kN
1.Bg4 Ke7 2.Bf4 Kf6 3.Bh4+
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 18/36   00:00:28  25935kN
1.Bg4 Ke7 2.Bg3 Kf7 3.Bh6 Kf6 4.Bg5+
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 19/36   00:00:54  52271kN
1.Ke2
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 19/36   00:01:05  63860kN
1.Ke2
  +-  (8.39)   Depth: 19/36   00:01:05  63954kN
1.Ke2 Kd7 2.Bb3 Kc8 3.Bf4 Kd7
  +-  (#150)   Depth: 19/36   00:01:11  70545kN

(,  22.11.2005)



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