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Subject: Re: Chessbase's comment on Fritz's Bc2............

Author: Daniel Shawul

Date: 04:22:15 11/22/05

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On November 22, 2005 at 03:52:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 22, 2005 at 03:10:35, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>...makes me sick in the stomage.
>>
>>QUOTE
>>
>> When you play through this game, take a look at the forced sequence commencing
>>with Fritz’ …Bc2, and count how many ply there are from there to the position
>>when Matthias Feist resigned on Fritz’ behalf. Then add a few more ply because,
>>in the final position, although Black will inevitably be saddled with a decisive
>>material deficit, at that moment the program still had two minor pieces for a
>>rook. So the depth to which Fritz would have needed to search in the critical
>>variation, in order to realise that …Bc2 was a losing move rather than a winning
>>one, was quite beyond the program’s capability.
>>
>>UNQUOTE
>>
>>So much for the human like "knowledge" of Fritz.
>>
>>Ernst.
>
>
>This position is from the game
>
>Fruit has no problem to evaluate it by static evaluation as advantage for white.
>
>It has no "human" knowledge about bad trades.
>Note that this is not the only explanation and Movei also has no human knowledge
>about bad trades(it simply evaluates bishop and knight as more than 3 pawns so
   I have tried not giving bonus for bad exchanges but it didn't work for me.
Especailly in tactical positions because the program will spend evaluating
positions where it is down by a minor, but still trying to compensate it by
positional means. Fritz may be giving a big bonus for the excahnge, and this
combined with some pruning may prevent it from searching for positional
compensaiton further. For example in your position below scorpio gives -132 for
white, but search will reveals white is +350 with a6! I chose it to be this way
. When the bad trade code fails like it happened to fritz it will be noticed!
but not giving bonus is not smart either. Fruit / Movie will be disadvantaged in
postions where the bad trade is really helping.
Daniel

>it usually avoid bad trades) and it seems that fruit simply has superior
>knowledge about pawn structure.
>
>6: Ponomariov,R - Fritz, Man vs Machine II 2005
>[D]8/P4pk1/2bp4/P2p4/2nPp2p/4P2P/6K1/2R5 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:
>
>47.Kf2
>  =  (0.24)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>
>
>Uri



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