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Subject: Re: Chessbase's comment on Fritz's Bc2............

Author: Daniel Shawul

Date: 04:45:08 11/22/05

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On November 22, 2005 at 07:22:15, Daniel Shawul wrote:

>On November 22, 2005 at 03:52:57, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 2005 at 03:10:35, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>
>>>...makes me sick in the stomage.
>>>
>>>QUOTE
>>>
>>> When you play through this game, take a look at the forced sequence commencing
>>>with Fritz’ …Bc2, and count how many ply there are from there to the position
>>>when Matthias Feist resigned on Fritz’ behalf. Then add a few more ply because,
>>>in the final position, although Black will inevitably be saddled with a decisive
>>>material deficit, at that moment the program still had two minor pieces for a
>>>rook. So the depth to which Fritz would have needed to search in the critical
>>>variation, in order to realise that …Bc2 was a losing move rather than a winning
>>>one, was quite beyond the program’s capability.
>>>
>>>UNQUOTE
>>>
>>>So much for the human like "knowledge" of Fritz.
>>>
>>>Ernst.
>>
>>
>>This position is from the game
>>
>>Fruit has no problem to evaluate it by static evaluation as advantage for white.
>>
>>It has no "human" knowledge about bad trades.
>>Note that this is not the only explanation and Movei also has no human knowledge
>>about bad trades(it simply evaluates bishop and knight as more than 3 pawns so
>   I have tried not giving bonus for bad exchanges but it didn't work for me.
>Especailly in tactical positions because the program will spend evaluating
>positions where it is down by a minor, but still trying to compensate it by
>positional means. Fritz may be giving a big bonus for the excahnge, and this
>combined with some pruning may prevent it from searching for positional
>compensaiton further. For example in your position below scorpio gives -132 for
>white, but search will reveals white is +350 with a6! I chose it to be this way
>. When the bad trade code fails like it happened to fritz it will be noticed!
>but not giving bonus is not smart either. Fruit / Movie will be disadvantaged in
>postions where the bad trade is really helping.
>Daniel
>
  Looking at chessbase explanation, Fritz must be very! materialistic( giving
big bonus for the exchange) to not ever solve the position. so it is probably
something else.

>>it usually avoid bad trades) and it seems that fruit simply has superior
>>knowledge about pawn structure.
>>
>>6: Ponomariov,R - Fritz, Man vs Machine II 2005
>>[D]8/P4pk1/2bp4/P2p4/2nPp2p/4P2P/6K1/2R5 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:
>>
>>47.Kf2
>>  =  (0.24)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>
>>
>>Uri



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