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Subject: Re: Dual core cpu and number of threads

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:31:49 11/22/05

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On November 22, 2005 at 03:13:03, Terje Vagle wrote:

>After further checking, you will get 4 threads with the new Intel D840 extreme
>edtition. This cpu has 2 cores and Hyperthreading enabled thus giving 4 threads.

Yes and no.

Yes it will supposedly have hyper-threading.  But no, that does not exactly
translate into two extra cpus.  It basically translates into two cpus that are
further sub-divided into two 1/2 cpu (performance-wise) units.  Almost every
chess program will do better on a dual that is 2x faster than on a quad.  For
example, I'd take a dual 3ghz over a quad 1.5ghz every time, because of the
parallel search overhead.

For Crafty specifically, the math goes like this:

A hypothetical single processor with hyperthreading disabled, using a single
thread, will produce a NPS value of 1.0M.  And it will take 100 seconds to
search to a fixed depth, searching a tree of 100M nodes.

Turn on hyperthreading and the NPS will rise to 1.1M, or .55M per logical
processor.  Unfortunately 30% of one processor is wasted due to parallel search
overhead (extra nodes searched).  So the effective aggregate performance is .55M
+ .7*.55M = .935M, which is actully slower.  If this actually has one shared L2
cache, that will be a further performance bottleneck when compared to the
opteron dual-cores which have dual L2 caches as well.


>
>Snap from toms hardware:
>
>Although the new processor's codename Smithfield implied a completely new
>design, the reality is that the CPU consists of two Prescott cores with 1 MB of
>L2 cache; no features such as additional instruction sets were added. The
>regular Pentium D also lost its Hyper Threading capability, which is an
>exclusive feature of the Extreme Edition, making this the only difference
>between the Pentium D and the Pentium EE of the 800 series except for the latter
>coming with a freely selectable multiplier. The latter is only available as the
>840 model running at 3.2 GHz.



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