Author: James T. Walker
Date: 06:39:13 11/22/05
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On November 22, 2005 at 01:52:43, Russell wrote: >On November 22, 2005 at 00:10:15, Chessfun wrote: > >>On November 22, 2005 at 00:01:43, Russell wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2005 at 23:42:22, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 2005 at 20:36:01, Russell wrote: >>>> >>>>>Shredder 9 would own Tiger, Fruit 2x, any thing u name it in Blitz TC such as 3 >>>>>0 5 0. Fruit is best for long TC however. >>>> >>>> >>>>And what data do you have that supports that opinion? >>>>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/blitz.htm >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>>Note the author mentions blitz TC at 3 0 or 5 0 with Ponder ON in ICC. The Url >>>that u posted is not even close TC to 3 0 or 5 0. That Time Control is >>>considered as Standard Chess on regular ICS. Plus, important to note that it was >>>tested with ponder off I belive. wait 40/4 means 40min + 4 Inc? or 40 moves in 4 >>>min? >> >> >>Actually the original post in this thread made no mention of either ICC or >>ponder=on. Further at any ICS 3 0 or 5 0 are still considered blitz, not >>standard chess. I quote the original post in this thread for reference; >> >>"Hi >>Has anyonelse noticed that Chesstiger 2004 has good results against Fruit 2.2.1 >>at 3 0 and 5 0 blitz? However Schredder 9 seems to own Tiger at this time." >> >>Also if you are talking about ICC although you never mentioned that in your post >>either then naturally, who knows what hardware was being used by any of the >>named programs. >> >>Last, the time controls on the rating list indicated are 40 moves in 4 minutes >>repeating. >> >> >>Sarah. > >Further at any ICS 3 0 or 5 0 are still considered blitz, not >>standard chess. > >Um Who said 3 0 or 5 0 are standard chess? Although ur right in that the author >does not mention ICC, the author does play at ICC however (u can ask him/her). >Considering she posted tc = 3 0 it can be easily presumed that it was played >with ponder on otherwise its useless and necessarly doesnt mean anything. (y >would u want to test in 3 0 with ponder off?)For ex, Ruffian 1.0.1 killed Fritz >8 in my P4 with those conditions b4(3 0 and ponder off). However when Ruffian >was put in ICS with similitude hardware against Fritz with same TC and this time >ponder on, Ruffian lost. That is the main reason I always say If u want to test >Programs use it on any ICS with ponder on and similar hardware. A slight diff in >hardware is not something very serious. Also, if I thought the hardware was >unfair I would never make that claim :). btw in a regular 4 min game engines >makes more than 40 moves unless ofcourse opp gets mated. >I will give u another example. Shredder 9.1 with Athlon XP 2400+(@2.3Ghz) vs >Fruit 2.2.1(Atlon Xp 3000+ 2.167Ghz). Shredder Wipes the floor with Fruit even >in 5 1 TC. However, in Long Time its quite diff. And plz dont get fooled by the >processor speed :). "Shredder wipes the floor with Fruit even in 5 1 TC." ??? Here are the results from my database so far in head to head testing/ equal hardware ponder on (64x2 3800). 1. Fruit 2.2.1 +47 +58/-38=50 2. Shredder 9 -47 +38/-58=50 Also in my blitz database (mostly 5/0 or 5/1 & few 5/3 games) the rating list after over 600 games by Fruit vs different opponents is about 30 Elo above Shredder 9 UCI. Jim
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