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Subject: Re: Human versus Engine - victory ! BUT, IT WAS BARELY CHESS.

Author: A. Steen

Date: 06:09:27 11/24/05

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On November 23, 2005 at 22:26:44, Graham Banks wrote:

>On November 23, 2005 at 19:05:15, A. Steen wrote:
>
>>On November 23, 2005 at 05:49:58, Maurizio Monge wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>could you please post a few of your games agaist fruit?
>>>I am very interested (as chess player) to see how fruit
>>>can be beaten by a strong player..
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Maurizio
>>
>>
>>Please, beating Fruit is not difficult for a human player, and is no proof of
>>strength. Many games have been posted here already showing how Fruit is
>>defeated.
>>
>>If you look here-
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463395
>>you will find a weak player beating Fruit 2.2.1.
>>
>>Why I find Shredder and Fritz (latest) much harder to defeat than Fruit is hard
>>for me to "data-mine" (and find the underlying rule or reason).  Fruit's king
>>safety seems to be an Achilles heel, but it is not the answer.  Maybe the other
>>two make me walk the tightrope more.
>>
>>When I buy my copy of Fruit soon (my free download trial version has I think
>>expired or will expire in the next day or two) I will select a good victory and
>>probably email it to you. If I post it here, you will hear barking that I am
>>boasting or something ridiculous.
>>
>>But..
>>
>>To avoid any doubt, I think Fruit 2.2.1 and its cousin the latest Toga are the
>>best engines to use in computer vs. computer games.
>>
>>I am not anti-Fruit.
>>
>>Also, for analysis, Fruit seemed to me preferable than Shredder - and definitely
>>preferable to Fritz which should not be used for many types of position!
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>A.S.
>
>
>No problem with your posting some of your victories against Fruit 2.2.1 here for
>us all to enjoy. I also look forward to playing through them.
>
>Regards, Graham.

Please see-
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?464128
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?464129
for an example of Fruit committing suicide.

Best,

A.S.



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