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Subject: Re: A. STEEN vs. FRUIT 2.2.1 {Posted at request of Graham Banks & M. Mon

Author: Swaminathan

Date: 04:38:13 11/25/05

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On November 25, 2005 at 06:20:57, A. Steen wrote:

>On November 25, 2005 at 02:25:51, Swaminathan wrote:
>
>>Great Post A.Steen!
>
>
>Well, no.

actually yes!

>>I haven't seen your postings in the past,so are you a newbie?
>
>
>In this great ocean, I am, was and will be a perpetual newbie. :)

Steen,you might want to take a look at CTF,where you can discuss about anything
and everything except computer chess.There are lots of chess players there
including myself.

>
>>How did you come to know about Fruit?
>
>
>I saw its 2nd place results in the championships, looked at its games and,
>allowing for its hardware handicap, concluded QUALITATIVELY (for me the game
>moves are far more important than the game result - but the low-life
>bean-counters cannot understand this in their lifetimes) that Fruit could well
>be as strong as Zappa 2 (the winner) or even stronger.  Realised Zappa is not on
>the market.  In hunt for Fruit, found CCC, a very unripe fruit. :)

Chasing and accusing a newbie usually happens here unless you introduce yourself
at the very beginning,but don't worry things will start to calm down as computer
chess is everyone's hobby.

>The game wasn't great, I just tried to make it entertaining to follow with these
>lovely CCC diagrams.

Yes,But you are commenting very well on certain positions.

>Let me tell you what the reasonably intelligent outsider's view of CCC is.
>Obviously this is not _my_ view, because as you have read here various gurus say
>I am a fool, an idiot and unable to play chess. :)

They are probably low self esteemed people having very less ratings.

>There are many people of varying chessic and logical and computer abilities
>here, a good mix for a club.

yeah,I agree.But Only Uri Blass I have noticed.

>But there may be a widespread cabal of patzers (in chess, who is not?), whose
>ELO rating (2100-2200-2300 and thereabouts) is one I would be embarrassed to
>advertise was it mine, but who have come to believe they are super-GMs or
>stronger and can therefore call super-GM brilliancies "nonsense" and even worse,

They are only exposing their own character.

>freely without fear of contradiction.  In the absence of their clear superiors
>who are willing to gently educate and correct them (there must be some stronger
>players here, but they don't waste their time correcting the fantasies of weak
>players), these patzers' internal problems keep increasing with time. :)  Till
>by now they are balloons of such enormous size, intimidating valid commentary
>and expressing their own often-mistaken views (often based, as we all know, on
>what their analysis engine tells them to say) as if they were pronunciamentos
>from the almighty or even GM Nunn, which would be more persuasive.
>
>For historical reasons I guess the moderators can be at times jumpy, and are
>burdened with tons of emails from balloons who see faults everywhere than in
>their own gaseous emanations. :) [Approx. quote from a now-deleted post from
>such a balloon - "You are an idiot. I am emailing the moderators about your
>rudeness." - One has to wonder if they live in a house without any mirrors!  :)
>]

>Of course, I am a total newbie so all my observations may be invalid and
>incorrect.  Don't mind me, please.

But your game comments here shows that you are a chess enthusiast,that's enough.

>>MAy I ask you about your chess tournament experience?Do you have any
>>ratings,FIDE etc?If so,What's it?
>
>
>Those are mine. I leave boasting for balloons.
>
>Alternatively, please believe Mike that I have nothing to boast about.  He

Mike?

>writes something like Steen learned chess only in the middle of 2005, is rated
>1100, is a complete hopeless w.r.t. computers and technical matters and so on,
>and is researching for a book "How To Bluff At Computer Chess" (2006).

It's really great that you have defeated Fruit on the faster hardware,posted
here commented about your game.Fabien would be having hard time to defeat his
own engine.

>I am not long for here, so - please judge by what you directly observe and test,
>not what is claimed. Be objective and orderly!

You should not be slightly rude,If you show any rudeness,ban will be in effect.
Better place is to talk at CTF,the link is
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/2/index.html
They have completely different charter rules,almost all messages posted are free
from moderation.


>Best,
>
>A.S.



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