Author: Alvaro Polo
Date: 12:48:44 11/26/05
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On November 26, 2005 at 13:51:40, Rolf Tueschen wrote: In my experience with internet forums, each time that a newcomer comes who is more intelligent and/or knowledgeable than the habitual members of the group, he gets insulted. I believe it is more or less a law of (internet) nature. Alvaro Polo >A moment ago I got in CTF probably the last message from A.S. Since he gave >three links that should prove how badly he was insulted, I took some minutes to >at least paste these messages into my private reader. I took just the A.S. >messages so that I couldn't miss his own speech and as has been told his own >insults. > >Before I list my conclusions I want to apologize another time to Graham, >moderator yesterday. What I had seen yesterday in the aftermath looked worse >than what I could see today - in parts - how and when he interfered. I must >admit that he tried to save the situation in the favor of all the members of >CCC. And he did a good job. - But also he couldn't avoid to go into a special ad >hominem mode against A.S. which was unjustified and impolite. A.S. however >reacted with great style. I am talking about the Sarapu mention. Graham reported >that Sarapu, the NZ GM we still know from Siegen 1970 I think. And he talked as >if - that was the only possible interpretation - A.S. for all if he was a GM >too, did NOT do properly. A.S. replied that he would want advice how he should >react on naked insults? So here it is clear that this cant be compared to RL. In >RL is a basic respect for other people and namely titleholders of any sort. No >need to speak about national heroes. That doesnt function on the net and didnt >function in CCC yesterday. Graham should have seen that and should have >addressed that aspect. > >From what I could see in a fly: > >Michael D. but also Aaron Gordon insulted the new guest: > >1. by verbally calling his judgements added by analyses as nonsense > >2. without themselves providing analyses, or, if they did, > >3. and A.S. then replied on these points, they reacted with "loudmouth" and >stuff like that > >4. nobody, literally nobody realised the quality of the judgements of A.S. > >5. the running argument was either he should say his name etc or he should stop >to claim things the CCC residents couldn't refutate or even discuss > >6. A.S. gave plenty of ideas, thoughts and arguments, in a very lightway style >with nothing but good humor and he got > >7. reactions full of resentiments and suspicions, but no humor at all > >8. when I would expect that someone like A.S., anonymously, but with many >analyses and judgements about the K-Hydra game and his own against FRUIT, would >at least be granted two possibilities > >a) that he must be a really strong chessmaster > >b) or even if he was just a troll, then he must also be with a superb knowledge > >But let me make my verdict, the forum correspondants all came to the attitude >that this poster cant provide us with good material to think about, but that >this is all crap and therefore, in combination with his "arrogance" and >"insults" against our best analytical forces, and because we were not able to >even discuss his theories not speaking about reasonably doubting his theses, the >only solution seemed to be to throw him out so that we could enjoy again our >peaceful debating culture. This is incredible that it was possible that such a >happening could be tolerated. > >Nobody, except Graham, did, what A.S. did altogether with his chess lecturing, >and that was taking a step back and analysing the situation in the group. In >other words A.S. besides his chess for what he had come, had also to teach and >act as a mediator plus therapist, in the hope that all the angry youngsters >could be calmed down to be able to hear and read what the teacher had to tell >them. Sysiphus could have been his name! :) > >It was as if our members were dead sure that A.S. was a fake, impostor, crook, >chess imbecile and top make full program, he also was impolite, anonymous, >loudmouth and also very handicapped in his mind power. I asked myself all the >time (during my short read) how this man could remain patient and for all could >find such a style to express himself - because we must not forget, he was in >real, sorry, virtual life danger!One could claculate when the chain of >complaints to NZ could be stable enough so that a veritable autobahn out of >messages and emails could become hard and indestructable so that we all could >travel to NZ via this new road and for all all over real water! Walking, with a >bicycle or a car. Which would have alarmed the Americans for sure... (the rest >of this suspenseful story is published on CTF! promised) > >Excuse me for all the possible typos but you know I'm a foreigner in English.
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