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Subject: Re: ELO gain from Tablebases

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 15:33:51 03/22/99

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On March 22, 1999 at 13:04:45, blass uri wrote:

>
>On March 22, 1999 at 08:02:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 21, 1999 at 21:04:55, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>I played 100 games with Crafty 16.5 vs Crafty 16.5 with all 3/4 man tablebases
>>>and a few 5 man tablebases in an attempt to determine how much help the
>>>tablebases are.  Has anyone else done this and if so, what was the result?
>>>The final score was Crafty w/tb +32 =38 -30 or 51 to 49.  The first 50 games
>>>were very different from the second 50 games even though the match was
>>>uninterrupted for the 100 games.
>>> First 50   Crafty w/tb +21 =15 -14
>>> Second 50     "    "   +11 =23 -16
>>>It looks like two different programs.  Just shows that even 50 games is not a
>>>large enough sample to prove anything.  I still don't know what the ELO gain is
>>>from tablebases !  I'm planning on a couple hundred more games later this week.
>>>If anyone else has done this (Bob?)  please post your results.
>>>Jim Walker
>>>P.S. These were only Game/5 minutes.
>>
>>
>>I haven't tried this and have no idea.  I think the affect is 'minimal' but
>>not insignificant, whatever that means.  :)  But against 'good' programs I see
>>a fair number of tablebase games, that are likely won instead of drawn, or
>>drawn instead of lost, only bacause of the tablebases.
>
>Maybe you do not know about cases when crafty is losing games because it is
>slower because of tablebases
>or cases when crafty prefer to go to a simple lost endgame instead of lost
>tablebase endgame that the opponent can practically do a mistake and draw.
>
>Uri

Hello Uri,
Yes, I think it's possible that the tablebases help in some games and hurt in
others and net result is almost zero !  So far the tablebase help is not
measurable and that's the big surprise.
Jim Walker



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