Author: odell hall
Date: 11:49:34 03/23/99
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On March 23, 1999 at 14:14:03, KarinsDad wrote:
>On March 23, 1999 at 13:36:28, odell hall wrote:
>
>>
>>On March 23, 1999 at 07:24:29, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>>>
>>>Either way you should take it up with the chess server, I do not think this
>>>place should be one for naming suspected cheats on chess servers. You should
>>>have kept to your first thought about not naming him until he has either been
>>>proved and kicked out of playing chess on the servers, until then one person
>>>supporting your suspected view on this person on here does not make him guity,
>>>and is slander.
>>>
>>>I know we had this king of thing happen before and then too I was against naming
>>>names.
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> My decision to reveal the cheaters name had nothing to do with the support I
>>got here. It was based on my own investigations, which included looking up the
>>person's uscf rating, also I went over the game myself with fritz5, if you have
>>any doubts at all about this game, then go over the game yourself with Fritz5
>>and you will not be able to escape the obvious conclusion. It doesn't take much
>>intellegence to see that the guy cheated. I went over the games with four other
>>programs and none of them match 100% as fritz5 does. Even if I did not examine
>>his games, his uscf rating alone condemns him, if not then tell me a guy you
>>know that is rated 752 uscf that draw's hiarcs7 and beats cm4000 running on a
>>pent 233.
>
>The point is not whether he cheated or not. The point is "Why is it important to
>post the handle of the suspected cheater in a public forum such as this?".
>
>To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows others to
>confirm or deny your suspicions and share information. To post the handle is not
>fine. Regardless of what mechanisms you use to determine guilt or innocence,
>your findings may not be conclusive, could be considered slanderous by some, and
>are therefore inappropriate on this forum.
>
>Suspected cheaters should be a matter for the chess servers and not for this
>forum (with regard to their handles). The chess servers have mechanisms to
>inform the members of their forum of suspected cheaters.
>
>By naming them here, it's a way of casting aspersions on another where they may
>not be able to defend themself. On the other hand, for all you know, this person
>could be a member of this forum and by naming him as a cheater, you could be
>violating rule #3 of this forum (Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks
>on others) and not even know it.
>
>KarinsDad :)
Sorry karlsdad
But I think you are way off here. First of all naming someone's ICC handle
doesn't even give a clue as to the person's personal identity. If you notice I
know the guy's real name but have not revealed that. Although to be frank my
evidence is 100 %. Sure Icc has procedures in place to deal with this type of
thing, and I have used those options available to me. Posting a computer chess
game in a computer chess forum is in no way inappropriate, nor is asking a
computer chess forum for help in catching a cheat. I am under no obligation to
respect the privacy of someone who clearly showed little regard or respect for
myself. As long as I was not 100% sure, I did not reveal that person's handle,
but now that my evidence is for sure, I certainly will and did. But as I said
above I know the person's name and have not revealed that. Although I cannot see
why I am obligated to regard someone who obviously had little regard for me.
Frankly I don't understand what all the noise your making is about! If I am
revealing some personally information about someone in this forum, then why
don't you tell me who zombie-pawn is?? You cannot!!, because the handle gives
no clue as to who a person is. Finally are you a moderator? If not I wish you
would leave the job of moderation to a moderator, and stop speaking for people
who so far I have heard no objections.
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