Author: KarinsDad
Date: 12:32:42 03/23/99
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On March 23, 1999 at 14:49:34, odell hall wrote: > >On March 23, 1999 at 14:14:03, KarinsDad wrote: > >> >>The point is not whether he cheated or not. The point is "Why is it important to >>post the handle of the suspected cheater in a public forum such as this?". >> >>To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows others to >>confirm or deny your suspicions and share information. To post the handle is not >>fine. Regardless of what mechanisms you use to determine guilt or innocence, >>your findings may not be conclusive, could be considered slanderous by some, and >>are therefore inappropriate on this forum. >> >>Suspected cheaters should be a matter for the chess servers and not for this >>forum (with regard to their handles). The chess servers have mechanisms to >>inform the members of their forum of suspected cheaters. >> >>By naming them here, it's a way of casting aspersions on another where they may >>not be able to defend themself. On the other hand, for all you know, this person >>could be a member of this forum and by naming him as a cheater, you could be >>violating rule #3 of this forum (Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks >>on others) and not even know it. >> >>KarinsDad :) > > > > Sorry karlsdad 1) It's KarinsDad. > > But I think you are way off here. First of all naming someone's ICC handle >doesn't even give a clue as to the person's personal identity. If you notice I >know the guy's real name but have not revealed that. Although to be frank my >evidence is 100 %. Sure Icc has procedures in place to deal with this type of >thing, and I have used those options available to me. Posting a computer chess >game in a computer chess forum is in no way inappropriate, nor is asking a >computer chess forum for help in catching a cheat. 2) I did not say that doing this was inappropriate. In fact, I said the exact opposite above "To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows others to confirm or deny your suspicions and share information.". > I am under no obligation to >respect the privacy of someone who clearly showed little regard or respect for >myself. 3) Respect is a two way street. If you show lack of respect for him and me (see your comment below on "are you a moderator"), how do you expect to get respect here from others? > As long as I was not 100% sure, I did not reveal that person's handle, >but now that my evidence is for sure, I certainly will and did. But as I said >above I know the person's name and have not revealed that. 4) You have given enough information with your posts for someone to track down the person if they really wanted. For example, there are slightly more than 40 752 rated USCF male players. So now I know that it is one of 40 people out of 5.5 billion in the world. Do you really think that I could not track it down further if I was interested? Do you really think that I could not play this person on ICC or some other server and say "Hey, I'm from Miami, where are you from?" and this person would have no clue as to why I was doing it. Once you give out the handle, malicious people can use it. What if someone on a different server has the same handle and some other person says "Hey, that guy cheated on ICC and now he is here cheating."? > Although I cannot see >why I am obligated to regard someone who obviously had little regard for me. >Frankly I don't understand what all the noise your making is about! If I am >revealing some personally information about someone in this forum, then why >don't you tell me who zombie-pawn is?? You cannot!!, because the handle gives >no clue as to who a person is. 5) It gives enough information to find out more. It isn't very nice and it isn't necessary. > Finally are you a moderator? If not I wish you >would leave the job of moderation to a moderator, and stop speaking for people >who so far I have heard no objections. 6) Michael posted that he thought this was inappropriate. So did I. How can a free open forum determine which behavior is appropriate and which is not if the users of the forum are not allowed to speak their mind on moderation issues? I have not said that you do not have the right to disagree with me. You have that right. Please do not tell me that I do not have the same right. KarinsDad
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