Author: odell hall
Date: 13:06:59 03/23/99
Go up one level in this thread
On March 23, 1999 at 15:32:42, KarinsDad wrote: >On March 23, 1999 at 14:49:34, odell hall wrote: > >> >>On March 23, 1999 at 14:14:03, KarinsDad wrote: >> >>> >>>The point is not whether he cheated or not. The point is "Why is it important to >>>post the handle of the suspected cheater in a public forum such as this?". >>> >>>To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows others to >>>confirm or deny your suspicions and share information. To post the handle is not >>>fine. Regardless of what mechanisms you use to determine guilt or innocence, >>>your findings may not be conclusive, could be considered slanderous by some, and >>>are therefore inappropriate on this forum. >>> >>>Suspected cheaters should be a matter for the chess servers and not for this >>>forum (with regard to their handles). The chess servers have mechanisms to >>>inform the members of their forum of suspected cheaters. >>> >>>By naming them here, it's a way of casting aspersions on another where they may >>>not be able to defend themself. On the other hand, for all you know, this person >>>could be a member of this forum and by naming him as a cheater, you could be >>>violating rule #3 of this forum (Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks >>>on others) and not even know it. >>> >>>KarinsDad :) >> >> >> >> Sorry karlsdad > >1) It's KarinsDad. > >> >> But I think you are way off here. First of all naming someone's ICC handle >>doesn't even give a clue as to the person's personal identity. If you notice I >>know the guy's real name but have not revealed that. Although to be frank my >>evidence is 100 %. Sure Icc has procedures in place to deal with this type of >>thing, and I have used those options available to me. Posting a computer chess >>game in a computer chess forum is in no way inappropriate, nor is asking a >>computer chess forum for help in catching a cheat. > >2) I did not say that doing this was inappropriate. In fact, I said the exact >opposite above "To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows >others to confirm or deny your suspicions and share information.". > >> I am under no obligation to >>respect the privacy of someone who clearly showed little regard or respect for >>myself. > >3) Respect is a two way street. If you show lack of respect for him and me (see >your comment below on "are you a moderator"), how do you expect to get respect >here from others? > >> As long as I was not 100% sure, I did not reveal that person's handle, >>but now that my evidence is for sure, I certainly will and did. But as I said >>above I know the person's name and have not revealed that. > >4) You have given enough information with your posts for someone to track down >the person if they really wanted. For example, there are slightly more than 40 >752 rated USCF male players. So now I know that it is one of 40 people out of >5.5 billion in the world. Do you really think that I could not track it down >further if I was interested? Do you really think that I could not play this >person on ICC or some other server and say "Hey, I'm from Miami, where are you >from?" and this person would have no clue as to why I was doing it. Once you >give out the handle, malicious people can use it. What if someone on a different >server has the same handle and some other person says "Hey, that guy cheated on >ICC and now he is here cheating."? > I am not going to go around, and around about something so silly, you will have the last word on this. I will only say this, if someone doesn't want to be revealed as a cheater, then they should not cheat! That will eliminate all the bull. End of story >> Although I cannot see >>why I am obligated to regard someone who obviously had little regard for me. >>Frankly I don't understand what all the noise your making is about! If I am >>revealing some personally information about someone in this forum, then why >>don't you tell me who zombie-pawn is?? You cannot!!, because the handle gives >>no clue as to who a person is. > >5) It gives enough information to find out more. It isn't very nice and it isn't >necessary. > >> Finally are you a moderator? If not I wish you >>would leave the job of moderation to a moderator, and stop speaking for people >>who so far I have heard no objections. > >6) Michael posted that he thought this was inappropriate. So did I. How can a >free open forum determine which behavior is appropriate and which is not if the >users of the forum are not allowed to speak their mind on moderation issues? I >have not said that you do not have the right to disagree with me. You have that >right. Please do not tell me that I do not have the same right. > >KarinsDad
This page took 0.01 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.