Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 09:56:26 03/24/99
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On March 24, 1999 at 11:38:17, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On March 23, 1999 at 14:14:03, KarinsDad wrote: > >>The point is not whether he cheated or not. The point is "Why is it important to >>post the handle of the suspected cheater in a public forum such as this?". >> >>To post the games and look for confirmation is fine. This allows others to >>confirm or deny your suspicions and share information. To post the handle is not >>fine. Regardless of what mechanisms you use to determine guilt or innocence, >>your findings may not be conclusive, could be considered slanderous by some, and >>are therefore inappropriate on this forum. >> >>Suspected cheaters should be a matter for the chess servers and not for this >>forum (with regard to their handles). The chess servers have mechanisms to >>inform the members of their forum of suspected cheaters. >> >>By naming them here, it's a way of casting aspersions on another where they may >>not be able to defend themself. On the other hand, for all you know, this person >>could be a member of this forum and by naming him as a cheater, you could be >>violating rule #3 of this forum (Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks >>on others) and not even know it. > >I think you are making too much of this. > >You go on the chess server and you play your games in public, and there they are >for the public to inspect, and your name is attached. > >If you make a dumb move in a game, and it is an important game, you can expect >to see people comment on the game, and include your name along with the >comments. > >I don't think it is a particularly violent attack to ask if others think that >someone is receiving outside assistance, especially if you have looked into it >carefully beforehand, and are responsible about how you write the post. Posting >the game with attached headers, including the names, allows people to check the >situation out for themselves, and avoids this nonsensical multi-phase identity >revelation process. > >There are rules here against personal attacks, but I think that if we are going >to maintain these rules we need to be careful about how they are enforced, so >they aren't used to quash legitimate and honest expression. > >It's like this recent thing with the German player who apparently used Fritz in >a human tournament. This can be discussed responsibly without making it a crime >to mention the guy's name. > >These are chess players, not rape victims. > >The way you guys talk about slander and suing people and such, if the world >really worked like that a newspaper would not be able to name someone who had >been indicted for committing a crime. > >I don't want to see hate campaigns in here, but let's prevent them without >creating a completely suffocating atmosphere where people are afraid to disagree >and afraid to criticize. > >bruce Very well put!
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