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Subject: Test Positions Can be a huge waste of time...

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 07:42:45 12/07/05


Every Engine will evaluate a position differently.  Proof?  Sure?
Just turn on several Engines at the same time from the Start Position,
and see how they evaluate that!
Another Point is that many so-called Test Positions are just plain wrong.
I have found many where the - - bm at the end of the FEN
obviously means 'bad move'.
So who cares how long it takes your Engine to find a 'bad move'?
Hmmmm?
Here's a perfect example, one I selected at random
out of thousands of FENS.

[D]3r2k1/1q1P1ppp/r2R2n1/p4Q2/1ppB2R1/6P1/PP3PP1/6K1 w - - bm Rgxg6; id ECM.029;



New game
[D]3r2k1/1q1P1ppp/r2R2n1/p4Q2/1ppB2R1/6P1/PP3PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1.Rxa6 Qxa6
  +-  (2.19)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:12
1.Rd5
  +-  (2.21)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:12
1.Rd5
  +-  (2.21)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:12
1.Rd5 Re6 2.Rxa5 Qxd7
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:12
1.Rd5 Re6 2.Rxa5 Qxd7
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:12
1.Rxa6 Qxg2+ 2.Kxg2
  +-  (1.93)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:12
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Re4
  +-  (2.17)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:12
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Re4 Qd6
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:13
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Re4 Qc6 3.Qxa5 Rxd7 4.Qxb4
  +-  (2.08)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:14
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Re4 Qc6 3.Qxa5 Qxd7 4.Qxb4
  +-  (2.03)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:17
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Re4 Qc6 3.Qxa5 Qxd7 4.Qxb4 Qf5
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:27
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 Qc8
  +-  (1.95)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:29
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 Rxd7 3.Rxd7 Qb6
  +-  (2.30)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:30
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6+ Kh7 4.Rxa6 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Rxd7 6.Rxa5 Rxd4
  +-  (3.88)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:32
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6+ Kh7 4.Rxa6 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Rxd7 6.Be3
  +-  (3.74)   Depth: 7/26   00:00:43  41kN
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6+ Kh7 4.Rxa6 Qxd7 5.Qxc4 Qxd4 6.Qg8+ Kxg8
  +-  (3.49)   Depth: 8/31   00:00:57  75kN
1.Rgxg6 hxg6 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6+ Kh7 4.Rxa6 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Rxd7 6.Be3 Rd1+ 7.Kh2
  +-  (3.41)   Depth: 8/31   00:01:03  91kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 Qf6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Bxf6 Rxe8 6.dxe8Q gxf6
  +-  (3.42)   Depth: 8/31   00:01:07  104kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qf7 a4 7.Bc5 c3
8.Bf8
  +-  (3.52)   Depth: 8/31   00:01:12  128kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 b3 7.a3 Kg8
8.Qe7 Qa8
  +-  (3.75)   Depth: 9/24   00:01:24  196kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 g5 7.Bc5 Kg8
8.Qe8+ Kh7 9.Qf7 Kh6 10.Bf8 c3
  +-  (3.82)   Depth: 10/28   00:01:28  304kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 g5 7.Bc5 Kg8
8.Qe8+ Kh7 9.Qf7 Kh6 10.Bf8 c3
  +-  (3.82)   Depth: 11/24   00:01:29  438kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 Kg8 7.f3 a4
8.Kf2 a3 9.bxa3 bxa3 10.g4 Kh7 11.Qf7
  +-  (3.80)   Depth: 12/35   00:01:30  908kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 Kg8 7.f3 a4
8.Qe7 Qb5 9.Kf2 Kh7 10.Qc7 Kg8 11.g4 Qd5
  +-  (3.77)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:32  1765kN
1.Rxa6 Qxa6 2.Rxg6 hxg6 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Rxe8 5.dxe8Q+ Kh7 6.Qd7 Kg8 7.f3 a4
8.Qe7 Qb5 9.Kf2 Kh7 10.Qc5 Qxc5 11.Kf1
  +-  (3.72)   Depth: 14/36   00:01:37  3600kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h6 3.Qg4 g5 4.fxg5 Kf8 5.gxh6 Rxd7 6.Qxd7 Kg8 7.Qxb7
  +-  (3.73)   Depth: 14/36   00:01:44  5732kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h6 3.Qg4 g5 4.fxg5 Kf8 5.gxh6 Rxd7 6.Qxd7 Kg8 7.Qxb7 Kh7
  +-  (4.08)   Depth: 14/36   00:01:45  6125kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qe2 Qd6 10.Qc2+ Kh6 11.Qxc4 Qxf4 12.b3 Kg6 13.Qd5
  +-  (4.87)   Depth: 14/44   00:02:04  13207kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qe2 Qd6 10.Qc2+ Kh8 11.Qxc4 Qxf4 12.Qc5 Qe4 13.Qf8+ Kh7 14.Bb6
  +-  (5.04)   Depth: 15/38   00:02:14  16400kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qe2 Qd6 10.Qc2+ Kh8 11.Qxc4 Qxf4 12.a3 Qd2 13.Qc8+ Kh7 14.Qf5+
Kg8 15.Qe6+
  +-  (4.96)   Depth: 16/45   00:02:33  22967kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qd7 Kg8 10.f5 Kh7 11.Qc7 Kg8 12.Qd8+ Kh7 13.Qe7 Qc6 14.Qf7 c3
15.Qxg7+
  +-  (5.06)   Depth: 17/44   00:03:13  36903kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qd7 Kg8 10.f5 Kh7 11.Qc7 Kg8 12.Qd8+ Kh7
  +-  (5.06)   Depth: 18/49   00:04:37  64942kN
1.Rf4 Nxf4 2.gxf4 h5 3.Qe5 f6 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qxh5+ Kg8 6.Rxa6 Qxa6 7.Qe8+ Rxe8
8.dxe8Q+ Kh7 9.Qd7 Kg8 10.f5 Kh7 11.Qc7 Kg8 12.Qd8+ Kh7
  +-  (5.06)   Depth: 19/50   00:06:59  113913kN

(, MyTown 06.12.2005)





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