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Subject: Re: Rybka 32-bit is number one in CEGT rating list

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 17:40:46 12/07/05

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On December 07, 2005 at 20:29:06, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 07, 2005 at 19:09:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 07, 2005 at 18:51:01, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>This information only makes me suspicious of CEGT testing.  I'm only running
>>>blitz test but this engine is truely strange.  Against Shredder 9UCI it scored
>>>about 145 Elo higher.  Against Fritz 8 it scored 50 Elo lower.  I only have 266
>>>games so far but Rybka's rating now is about 33 Elo below Fruit 2.2.1 and about
>>>3 Elo below Toga II 1.0.  I'm playing Rybka without an opening book since it
>>>comes without one.  I don't know which book/books are being used by different
>>>testers here but it does seem to indicate that almost any book is better than
>>>nothing.
>>>Jim
>>I am not surprised that you get different results when you test different
>>things.
>>
>>differences:
>>
>>1)CEGT do not test with original opening book
>>2)CEGT test with ponder off and you test with ponder on
>>3)CEGT test x minutes/40 moves when you test blitz games
>>
>>Uri
>
>Hello Uri,
>You are right of course.  The above are the reasons I don't like CEGT ratings.
>At the same time I don't like testing Rybka without an opening book.  When I get
>results like +145 Elo over Shredder UCI and - 50 Elo under Fritz 8 I know
>something is not right.  Maybe Rybka was "tuned" against Shredder 9 UCI?  I'm
>still running games without a book untill one becomes available though it seems
>like a big disadvantage for Rybka.
>Jim

I see nothing wrong with CEGT testing.

They do not test playing strength of programs but they test strength of the
engine that is part of the program.

I do not see something wrong with it.

Uri



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