Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 08:39:38 12/08/05
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On December 08, 2005 at 10:49:36, Eelco de Groot wrote: >On December 08, 2005 at 10:07:26, Steve B wrote: > >>>> >>>Nothing's wrong with just announcing a new product, or giving a link to the site >>>where it can be found. >> >> >>its more then that i think >>the CCC is being used as a marketing tool >> >>a program is announced here..given away free for a short time and then made >>commercial >> >>i is quite reasonable to assume that many of the initial sales will come from >>the member's here >> >>please explain how this is not the same thing as a commercial advertisement? >> >>it seems to me it is exactly what the charter tries to prohibit >>see also my post yesterday: >> >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?467905 >> >> >> >>Steve > >Hello Steve, > >I'll go along with your opinion that we seem to be part of a brilliant publicity >campaign for Rybka, but only willingly! And if the product is not good, the >criticism in this forum will be just as ruthless as the enthusiasm! All the >posts about Rybka taken together in the past few days offer a balanced picture I >think, and that is what this forum should be about: information about this hobby >of ours, and some fun! But about Rybka being offered as freeware, this simply is >not true; Rybka Beta was offered as Beta to serious testers by the author if >they requested a copy by email. The beta was offered for download as well for a >day, as a gesture to our community, and in the hope of more testing feedback. >The same read.me was attached to it, saying this was a beta, soon to be >commercial, -the word "commercial" was not used in the read.me but clear from >the context and text- and the author would appreciate testing feedback. > >From the read.me: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Beta Distribution > >We ask that the beta releases not be circulated except in cases where special >permission was given, as it was for example to all of the members of the CEGT >test team. Those interested in becoming beta testers are asked to please contact >us directly to get a copy. > >Beta Testing > >In practice, Beta testing usually means Beta using. It certainly has meant that >in my experience as a Beta tester :) Nevertheless, we are interested in all >kinds of feedback. In particular, we are interested in: > >1) Testing under all sorts of different conditions - different operating >systems, different machines, different GUIs, against different opponents, >playing on ICC or playchess, etc. >2) Statistically valid game-playing results, again under all sorts of different >conditions. >3) Comments about playing style or strength or even better, annotated games, >potentially for use on our web site (which is under construction). >4) Feedback about the "search direction" option, see section below for more >details. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Never once was there mention of Rybka being freeware although not everybody will >have read the relevant messages about that. Vasik's original post about his >plans: http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?466792 > >I just wanted to clarify that. About ICD not getting any sales out of this, I >would not worry much: profits from selling chess software are, pity the poor >programmer, VERY MARGINAL also for ICD and Steven Schwartz has said as much in >the past. > > Just my five cents about this, > Best regards, > Eelco Excellent Post Eelco, well said! Had I read this I'd never written my response to Steve. This is far superior! Best, Terry
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