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Subject: Excellent Post Eelco, well said!

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 08:39:38 12/08/05

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On December 08, 2005 at 10:49:36, Eelco de Groot wrote:

>On December 08, 2005 at 10:07:26, Steve B wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>Nothing's wrong with just announcing a new product, or giving a link to the site
>>>where it can be found.
>>
>>
>>its more then that i think
>>the CCC is being used as a marketing tool
>>
>>a program is announced here..given away free for a short time and then made
>>commercial
>>
>>i is quite reasonable to assume  that many of the initial sales will come from
>>the member's here
>>
>>please explain how this is not the same thing as a commercial advertisement?
>>
>>it seems to me it is exactly what the charter tries to prohibit
>>see also my post yesterday:
>>
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?467905
>>
>>
>>
>>Steve
>
>Hello Steve,
>
>I'll go along with your opinion that we seem to be part of a brilliant publicity
>campaign for Rybka, but only willingly! And if the product is not good, the
>criticism in this forum will be just as ruthless as the enthusiasm! All the
>posts about Rybka taken together in the past few days offer a balanced picture I
>think, and that is what this forum should be about: information about this hobby
>of ours, and some fun! But about Rybka being offered as freeware, this simply is
>not true; Rybka Beta was offered as Beta to serious testers by the author if
>they requested a copy by email. The beta was offered for download as well for a
>day, as a gesture to our community, and in the hope of more testing feedback.
>The same read.me was attached to it, saying this was a beta, soon to be
>commercial, -the word "commercial" was not used in the read.me but clear from
>the context and text- and the author would appreciate testing feedback.
>
>From the read.me:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Beta Distribution
>
>We ask that the beta releases not be circulated except in cases where special
>permission was given, as it was for example to all of the members of the CEGT
>test team. Those interested in becoming beta testers are asked to please contact
>us directly to get a copy.
>
>Beta Testing
>
>In practice, Beta testing usually means Beta using. It certainly has meant that
>in my experience as a Beta tester :) Nevertheless, we are interested in all
>kinds of feedback. In particular, we are interested in:
>
>1) Testing under all sorts of different conditions - different operating
>systems, different machines, different GUIs, against different opponents,
>playing on ICC or playchess, etc.
>2) Statistically valid game-playing results, again under all sorts of different
>conditions.
>3) Comments about playing style or strength or even better, annotated games,
>potentially for use on our web site (which is under construction).
>4) Feedback about the "search direction" option, see section below for more
>details.
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Never once was there mention of Rybka being freeware although not everybody will
>have read the relevant messages about that. Vasik's original post about his
>plans: http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?466792
>
>I just wanted to clarify that. About ICD not getting any sales out of this, I
>would not worry much: profits from selling chess software are, pity the poor
>programmer, VERY MARGINAL also for ICD and Steven Schwartz has said as much in
>the past.
>
> Just my five cents about this,
> Best regards,
> Eelco

Excellent Post Eelco, well said! Had I read this I'd never written my response
to Steve. This is far superior!

Best,
 Terry



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