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Subject: Re: An Interesting look at Kurt Utzinger's Rating list Regarding Shredder 9.

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 13:45:31 12/08/05

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On December 08, 2005 at 15:43:39, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 08, 2005 at 12:42:27, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On December 08, 2005 at 11:56:34, Russell wrote:
>>
>>>  Taken from:http://www.utzingerk.com/rating_5moves.htm#5
>>>Shredder 9 Test:
>>>
>>>  Fritz 9 50 + 17 = 16 - 17 50.0 %
>>>  Fruit 2.2.1 50 + 18 = 14 - 18 50.0 %
>>>  Fruit 2.1 30 + 10 = 9 - 11 48.3 %
>>>  Toga II 1.1 50 + 14 = 16 - 20 44.0 %
>>>  Toga II 1.0 50 + 9 = 16 - 25 34.0 %
>>
>>>Against the two strongest program that there is Shredder 9 scored 50%. While,
>>>against Fruit 2.1, Toga II 1.1, and 1.0 it scored less than 50%. What is
>>>striking is that Shredder performed the worst against Toga II 1.0. I just find
>>>this very strange.Especially, 25 losses against Toga 1.0. This derivatives of
>>>Fruit must have anti-shredder module or something.
>>
>>     Frankly spoken this also looks strange to us. And
>>     if we find the time (oops: Rybka, Ktulu 7.5, Hiarcs 10
>>     are waiting to be tested) we shall repeat the match
>>     vs Toga II 1.0 in the near future.
>>     Best regards
>>     Kurt
>
>I suspect it indicates tuning the engine vs a specific opponent like Shredder
>since it was at the top of the SSDF rating list.  The theory being if you can
>beat the best the rest is easy.  Of course this does not work perfectly since
>other engines that do not have the same weakness as Shredder may perform better
>vs this engine.  I also suspect that Rybka has been tuned this way since it
>performs better against Shredder than all other programs I tested it against.
>Of course I'm only guessing and have no real knowledge.  The programmers can
>provide the real answer.
>Jim


      Hi Jim
      Interesting remarks ... in the running 40'/40
      match 5moves, Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit is indeed
      "shreddering" the very strong Shredder 9 -:)
      Regards
      Kurt



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