Author: allan johnson
Date: 02:03:23 03/25/99
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On March 23, 1999 at 13:36:28, odell hall wrote:
>
>On March 23, 1999 at 07:24:29, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>
>>
>>On March 23, 1999 at 04:18:51, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On March 23, 1999 at 03:22:46, Paulo Soares wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 22, 1999 at 22:27:23, odell hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi CCC
>>>>>
>>>>> The below game raised some alarms, First of all, the suspected computer apears
>>>>>to make no tactical mistakes. After the game I asked this person what their
>>>>>rating was, and they claim uscf 2201. To me that is suspicious in itself, I
>>>>>doubt if a person with that rating could blow out chessmaster 4000 at such a
>>>>>fast time controls. I am deliberately leaving out the person's name, because I
>>>>>can not prove they used a computer and do not wish to defame anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Event "ICC 10 18"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "1999.03.22"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "Grindmaster"]
>>>>>[Black
>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2245"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2424"]
>>>>>[Opening "Queen's Indian: Nimzovich variation (exaggerated fianchetto)"]
>>>>>[ECO "E15"]
>>>>>[NIC "QI.05"]
>>>>>[Time "21:09:36"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "600+18"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8.
>>>>>Bc3 d5 9. Ne5 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Nd2 O-O 12. O-O Nf6 13. e4 b5 14. e5
>>>>>Nd7 15. Re1 bxc4 16. bxc4 dxc4 17. Qa4 Bb5 18. Qc2 Qc7 19. a4 Ba6 20. f4
>>>>>Rab8 21. a5 Rfd8 22. Rab1 Rxb1 23. Rxb1 Nf8 24. Nf3 c5 25. Qe2 Rb8 26. Re1
>>>>>Rb3 27. Qc2 cxd4 28. Nxd4 Bc5 29. Kh1 Bxd4 30. Bxd4 Rd3 31. Rd1 Rxd1+ 32.
>>>>>Qxd1 Bb7 33. Qa4 a6 34. Qb4 Bxg2+ 35. Kxg2 Qd8 36. Qxc4 Qxa5 37. Bc3 Qb5 38.
>>>>>Qd4 Qe2+ 39. Kg1 h5 40. Bb4 Ng6 41. Qd8+ Kh7 42. Bc5 h4 43. Bf2 h3 44. Qd7
>>>>>Ne7 45. Qa4 Nf5 46. Qa1 Ne3 47. Qb1+ Kh6 48. Qc1 Qf3 49. Qf1 {White resigns}
>>>>>0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Odell,
>>>>
>>>> I tried to simulate a game with 10 18 in my PII300
>>>>with 40Mb hashtable.Without doubt you played against
>>>>Fritz5.32. The game was out of " General.ctg" book in move
>>>>15...bxc4. From there until the end of the game, all
>>>>moves had coincided with the moves played by Fritz5.32!!!
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Paulo Soares, from Brazil.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Paulo
>>>
>>>
>>> I think my suspicious are pretty much confirmed, I did a little investigating
>>>of this guy's history, I notice that he has beaten other computers also, Even
>>>Hiarcs 7!! running on a pent 266 at game in 30. This appears to be a feat
>>>beyond the ability of a mere 2200. Also the guy gave me his name, I looked it
>>>up at the uscf home page, and it list his rating as 752!!!! Now I will give his
>>>handle. Zombie-pawn!!
>>
>>Either way you should take it up with the chess server, I do not think this
>>place should be one for naming suspected cheats on chess servers. You should
>>have kept to your first thought about not naming him until he has either been
>>proved and kicked out of playing chess on the servers, until then one person
>>supporting your suspected view on this person on here does not make him guity,
>>and is slander.
>>
>>I know we had this king of thing happen before and then too I was against naming
>>names.
>
>
> Hi
>
> My decision to reveal the cheaters name had nothing to do with the support I
>got here. It was based on my own investigations, which included looking up the
>person's uscf rating, also I went over the game myself with fritz5, if you have
>any doubts at all about this game, then go over the game yourself with Fritz5
>and you will not be able to escape the obvious conclusion. It doesn't take much
>intellegence to see that the guy cheated. I went over the games with four other
>programs and none of them match 100% as fritz5 does. Even if I did not examine
>his games, his uscf rating alone condemns him, if not then tell me a guy you
>know that is rated 752 uscf that draw's hiarcs7 and beats cm4000 running on a
>pent 233.
Hi Odell
Look don't take this the wrong way but am I to gather from your diatribes
against this alleged chess cheater and your exhortations for some sort of
satisfying retribution that you have a perfectly clean slate? You have never
cheated in your life? Come on;we all have!Now while I don't condone such
behaviour it is my belief that if this is what a person has to do in order
to achieve pleasure in life then I think they deserve our sympathy rather
than our condemnation.I realize,of course,that it was probably your
intention to simply alert other chess players as to this person's presence
on the net so now you've done that why not drop it?
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