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Subject: Re: endgame position, possible win left out?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 03:11:34 03/25/99

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On March 25, 1999 at 05:07:11, blass uri wrote:

>>>>[Event "WRG"]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "1999.03.24"]
>>>>[Round "5"]
>>>>[White "Prog X"]
>>>>[Black "Prog Y"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[ECO "C15"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bf4 Qa5 8.
>>>>Qd2 cxd4 9. cxd4 Qxd2+ 10. Kxd2 Nf6 11. Re1 Nc6 12. c3 exf3 13. Nxf3 O-O 14.
>>>>Bd3 Rd8 15. Ne5 Nxe5 16. Bxe5 b6 17. Rhf1 Ne8 18. Be4 Ba6 19. Bxa8 Bxf1 20.
>>>>Rxf1 Rxa8 21. c4 Rd8 22. Kc3 f6 23. Bg3 Nd6 24. Bxd6 Rxd6 25. c5 Rd8 26. Kc4
>>>>Kf8 27. Rb1 Rc8 28. a4 Ke8 29. a5 bxc5 30. dxc5 Kd7 31. Rb7+ Rc7 32. Rb8 Kc6
>>>>33. a6 e5 34. Rd8 Re7 35. Rc8+ Kd7 36. Rb8 e4 37. Rb7+ Ke6 38. Kd4 f5 39. g4
>>>>Rd7+ 40. Rxd7 Kxd7 41. gxf5 Kc6 42. Kxe4 Kxc5 43. Ke5 Kc4 44. Kd6
>>>
>>>Instead of Kd6, h4 looks like it should win. Black will have to eventually
>>>play h6 or h5 but then white plays f6.
>>
>>Seems correct. 44.h4 h5 45.f6! +- or after 44...h6 white can play 45.Kd6 because
>>the stalemate doesn't work, black will come into Zugzwang because white has the
>>move h4-h5. So 44...h5 is forced.
>>I also found it at this moment with Genius6, took him some seconds to find it on
>>P2-350. Also WChess2000 gets it quickly. Zarkov5 doesn't up to 6 min...
>>White was MChessPro8 and black pieces were WChess2000.
>
>What was the time control?

Time control as I always use it, 40 moves in 2h plus 60 minutes for the rest of
the game. MCP8 on MMX166 and WChess on K6-200. What astonishes me is that they
reached depths of 17 and deeper in that positions and they do have problems.

>I see that these program are weak at endgames.

At the moment I can say that WChess endgame scores is not that bad as it is
claimed.

>black did a mistake when it played 39...Rd7+ and white could not see 44.h4

Some programs do find h4.

>I expect that most human with 2100-2200 fide rating to find better moves in
>these positions at tournament time control.
>Uri

Certainly. I would have expected such endgame handling by bean-counters but not
by MCP.



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