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Subject: Re: That's why Rybka is a chess engine from another dimention....

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 06:43:46 12/10/05

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On December 10, 2005 at 08:53:22, Günther Simon wrote:

>On December 10, 2005 at 07:52:56, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On December 10, 2005 at 07:16:37, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On December 10, 2005 at 07:13:37, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 10, 2005 at 07:10:50, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 10, 2005 at 07:06:05, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sorry but I do not get it....if it has an optimized book why is only second?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The book should clearly help to get no. 1...no other score would be acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>01Toga II 1.1a i          13.5/19  = 71%
>>>>>02 Rybka 1.0              10.5/14  = 75%
>>>>>05 Fruit 2.2.1 i          10.0/12  = 83%
>>>>>
>>>>> So yes, it is second but not after Toga but after Fruit.....But we really
>>>>>should wait for all the engines play the same amount of games and against all
>>>>>other.....
>>>>
>>>>OK, but a book optimized with only 3 moves?
>>>>
>>>>Is this serious?
>>>>
>>> Rybka released before some days. I guess Dr.Wael didn't start creating it the
>>>1st day of its release. So he had only 2-4 days to do it and since he doen't
>>>have any profit from it i don't think he worked full time. So if he covers 6
>>>plies i find it really good........
>>
>>??????????????
>>
>>The world is nice because there are so many different ways to think.
>>
>>Sandro
>
>Hello Sandro,

Hi Guenther,
>
>I think it is a bit unfair to generalize that much, just because you
>see one line in which the book was out after ply 6.

OK, here I agree with you...I shall apology...

>Sometimes it isn't needed to have every side line in, especially
>when considering he is no professional book cooker.
>(This doesn't mean I would call 4.cxd5 a seldom side line here)
>In the original example I can easily show you fairly ok moves, after
>which even your S9 book would be out too with Black after ply 6.
>E.g. 4.a3 and 4.g3 are surely no bad moves, but your book doesn't
>cover them. (after 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Bf5 3.c4 e6)

OK, but this line (2...Bf5) is with f so is not planned to be played with black
and this explain why it is not so covered.

>Just for the record and for summarizing, we don't know other lines
>at all from this book and criticising it after seeing only one
>(not that frequent line) too short line is a bit hasty and unfair.

I admit I have been a little unfair...OK?

>
>Otherwise keep up your good work with Shredder books! :)

Thank you.

>And as I am already here with you, I have a burning question.
>I heard of rumours that it is finally planned in the future
>to allow Shredder using its native Shredder book (from native
>Shredder UCI version) also outside its own GUI, but in users
>choice GUIs? Is there some truth in those rumours?

I do not know it. I think Stefan will do it, but I think it is not available
yet.

>
>Best regards,
>Guenther
>(Customer of native Shredder 9)

Best regards,
Sandro



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