Author: Chessfun
Date: 17:14:31 12/12/05
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On December 12, 2005 at 19:40:16, Albert Silver wrote: >On December 12, 2005 at 19:27:47, Chessfun wrote: > >>On December 12, 2005 at 19:23:26, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On December 12, 2005 at 19:21:04, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On December 12, 2005 at 19:09:32, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 12, 2005 at 18:29:26, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>CEGT Blitz Rating List updated: >>>>>> >>>>>>BLITZ: >>>>>>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/ >>>>>> >>>>>>8 New engines added: >>>>>> >>>>>>Rybka 1.0 Beta 64-bit >>>>>>Chess Tiger 2004 Normal >>>>> >>>>>It seems that chess tiger 2004 normal played 120 games out of 520 games against >>>>>ktulu7.1 >>>>> >>>>>I think that when one engine play so many games against single opponent the >>>>>rating may be misleading because it is possible that one program has good result >>>>>against specific opponent. >>>>> >>>>>I suggest that you reduce the number of all games between 2 opponents to 30 >>>>>games for rating calculation and it means that tiger2004 got 14.75 out of 30 >>>>>against ktulu7.1 and not 59 out of 120 against it because you should not let one >>>>>player to decide about the rating list because by this idea if you play 1000 >>>>>games between Fritz9 and TogaII1.0 and Fritz9 scores less than 45% you can tell >>>>>fritz9 to go down in the list and togaII1.0 to fight for the first place. >>>>> >>>>>Of course if there is data about more games I do not say not to use it but you >>>>>should use it only to get better estimate for the result in 30 games. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tiger also played only against 6 opponents so I think that for calculation you >>>>>should assume that it played 180 games by reducing the number of games of it >>>>>against every opponent to 30 and 180<300. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't agree. Testing of Chess Tiger 2004 Normal is limted in that only a >>>>couple of CEGT testers have it. It was agreed to run 80 games per engine match >>>>however there was a mistake regarding Ktulu 7.1. >>>> >>>>Testing of Chess Tiger 2004 Normal is also limited in that it only runs in the >>>>Chess Partner interface and therefore the variety of engines to play against >>>>isn't so great. >>>> >>>>Further the method of testing within Chess Partner don't allow easy use of match >>>>play gauntlets as Chessbase GUI's do. >>>> >>>>Last assuming it will end up playing some 1500 games ultimately it's rating may >>>>get a bit skewed at the beginning. >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>>What are the openings settings? Do they use a specific set of opening positions >>>à la Nunn, or do they use their own books? If so, what books do the bookless >>>engines use? >>> >>> Albert >> >> >>All use generic books in the case of Chess Tiger 2004 Normal I believe they were >>tested using the Harry Schnapp testsuite. >> >>Sarah. > >What is the HS testsuite? Where can I find it? > > Albert The test suite was made available at CEGT about a month ago. I don't know where it can be downloaded from but you could contact Heinz and ask him to contact Harry or for Harry's email. http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/ http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/conditions.htm Sarah.
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