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Subject: Re: Trying to understand

Author: odell hall

Date: 02:07:25 03/26/99

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On March 26, 1999 at 02:09:08, Paulo Soares wrote:

>Considering that I have difficulties with the English language, and
>that I was really confused with the number of posts about
>cheating (I don't knew this word), I would like that somebody helped
>me:

Hi Paulo

 I will do all I can to help.


	1.  I still did not understand because much people are
>criticizing Odell if he only wrote that he was been deceptive.

 This is also a mystery to me Paulo, although I was a victim at Icc, I am now
being victimized by certain members of this forum, for whatever reason.

2.  I did not read Odell to cite the name of the person
>who deceived him (if I will be missed, please correct me).
>	3.  I confirmed the simulation today. Fritz 5.32 accompanies
>the opening, and all moves of the game are equal. I agree with
>KarinsDad when he writes that 100% are strange, and altough I
>confirmed the moves, it's only  a simulation, made in different
>systems and with also different times. On the other hand, the
>coincidence is so much, that I reaffirm that Odell played against
>Fritz5.32.

 I appreciate the effort you made to investigate the game, Which is what this
forum is for, your information was helpful to me. You and a few others responded
to my post very positively. That Is why I post here for information on computer
chess. It's sad that others could not do the same, but respond only with
accusations to what was intended as simple curiosity.



>	4. I learned that chess has also the function to educate,
>therefore I think that would be better that all thought about
>the question: could be a child who deceived Odell? If the reply
>will be positive, would be better to think if punish this child
>would be the best one for his education.
>
>
  Paulo It may or may not have been a child, that was pure speculation started
by karinsdad. I imagine the idea that it was a child was started to gain
sympathy for the cheater. However, whatever or not he was a child is really is
irrelevant, especially since my goal in posting the original game and revealing
the person's handle was not retribution. Certainly I was aware that this group
has no power to affect decisions on ICC. Nor could my intentions have been to
defame someone. Had that been the Case, My original Post would have read
"Goldpawn cheats me on ICC", that's get Rid of these cheaters!!,  Instead of
"Will someone please analyze this Game"(suspected cheater) Which implies
Suspicioun looking for confirmation, not condemnation.
By revealing the person's handle I was simply sharing information so that the
members could go to icc and investigate the games of the suspected cheater and
evaluate for themselves. This was done only after doing a though investigation
myself, and also relying on some of the comments of the experts here. Later Two
indivisuals decided, that the interest of the cheaters on Icc was more important
then the information that could be gathered about cheating, and thus we have the
present perdicament. I can understand your confusion, I was confused myself,
"thinking, Wait a minute!  I am the victim here, yet I am being the one painted
as the bad guy"! This whole ordeal sort of reminds me of the Present state of
the American Justice system where the victims of Crimes are often
interrogated and put on the defensive, and the rights of the criminals zealously
protected at the expense of the victim.


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