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Subject: Re: match Rybka - Fritz 9 started

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:35:06 12/13/05

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On December 13, 2005 at 19:04:41, stuart taylor wrote:

>On December 13, 2005 at 15:28:01, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On December 13, 2005 at 14:53:39, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On December 13, 2005 at 13:23:45, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Albert,
>>>>
>>>>so this is the match you asked:
>>>>
>>>>Rybka 1.0 - Fritz 9
>>>>
>>>>PN:
>>>>
>>>>1. 90 minutes each player on 2 identical computers...max 110 moves
>>>>2. Rybka playing with Rybka1.bkt prv-b (updated book after the previous match).
>>>>3. Fritz 9 playing with own book.
>>>>
>>>>game one started...
>>>>
>>>>Sandro
>>>
>>>Excellent. Look forward to the games and result.
>>
>>1 - 0   Fritz 9 got checkmated
>>>
>>>                            Albert

Hi,

>
>You mean straight whilst still in your opening book? (if so, even old lang
>program would do it on an XT!)

Well, no. The commercial books are made to bring playable lines to the program
and to include a lot of alternatives not to bore the owner.
The basic idea is to give positions that the program would be able to play well
in general, known and played by human players too, but including a lot of
alternatives this becomes true maybe 50% of the time.
To reduce the weaker positions there is the tournament mode which will play
mostly the better ones, but still having to include alternatives it means to
include weaker moves too.
This means that they would help the program but not too much if the opponent is
stronger.

This is why I was surprised of the very good score out of 4 games.

>Oh! anyway, so as far as you tested, it was 14.5 - 5.5 to Rybca vs.Toga? So Toga
>did actually start picking up!

No exactly. The score was moving from 69% to 70.5% depending on the openings.
There were some openings Rybka did not play well as the program did not know
what to do.

Again Toga II 1.1a is not a weak program and perfect 9v.ctg not a bad book.

Now, since Fritz 9 is a later product that Shredder 9 it is possible that the
book has been optimized on Shredder 9 book too, so the score may suffer from
this...
I will advise the score after 20 games or more...

>S.Taylor

Sandro



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