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Subject: Re: What's really odd is...

Author: enrico carrisco

Date: 16:20:46 12/14/05

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On December 14, 2005 at 14:32:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote:

>On December 14, 2005 at 14:14:36, enrico carrisco wrote:
>
>>On December 14, 2005 at 05:30:59, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>
>>>On December 14, 2005 at 05:22:16, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 14, 2005 at 05:13:48, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 14, 2005 at 05:06:41, Mimic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>==============================================================
>>>>>>Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit  +282-130=388  59.50%  476.0/800   +66
>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>Fruit 2.2.1            +130-282=388  40.50%  324.0/800   -66
>>>>>>==============================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Games       Rybka
>>>>>>========================
>>>>>>  100          +31
>>>>>>  200  -----   +33
>>>>>>  300          +50
>>>>>>  400  -----   +50
>>>>>>  500          +53
>>>>>>  600  -----   +60
>>>>>>  700          +63
>>>>>>  800  -----   +66
>>>>>>========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pentium M Dothan 2.52Ghz
>>>>>>32MB Hash
>>>>>>No EGTB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mimic
>>>>>
>>>>>has Rybka some hidden learning? The steady increase of the rating difference is
>>>>>surprising.
>>>>
>>>>The rating difference didn't increase, just the plus score. (And it wasn't
>>>>steady, either)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>GCP
>>>
>>>
>>>No, +66 is the rating difference, not the score difference.
>>>
>>>Surprisingly it doubled between 200 and 800 games...
>>>Who know it will be after 1200 games ...
>>
>>Rybka scores SIGNIFICANTLY better (15-20%+) vs. a given opponent (Fruit 2.2.1 in
>>this case) in an engine-engine match than it will in a tournament style match
>>with MORE than two engines (i.e. engines being routinely loaded and unloaded.)
>>
>>Try it yourself.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>-elc.
>
>There is no learning or opponent recognition in Rybka, so this observation is
>likely an anomaly.
>
>The only other explanation is that the opponents are "learning" :)
>
>Vas

Hello Vasik.

That's very interesting then...  I will do some more tests and see if this
continues (as well as check the results of others that test but do not post
here.)

So far I have 4 tournaments (at least 3 engines inlcuding Rybka) with 126 games
each tournament and 5 engine vs. engine matches (also 126 games each) and
Rybka's percentage against the same opponents in the tournament are better (by
at least 15%) when it is engine vs. engine only.

Hopefully continuing the matches will break the anomaly.  :)

Regards,

-elc.



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