Author: emerson tan
Date: 21:52:49 12/14/05
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On December 14, 2005 at 17:29:42, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On December 14, 2005 at 16:02:33, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote: > >>On December 14, 2005 at 14:38:36, Roger D Davis wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2005 at 11:12:03, emerson tan wrote: >>> >>>>There are a lot of proposals of rule change to make humans be able to compete >>>>with computers, some even suggested giving humans pawn odds. I read before in a >>>>chess cafe article that by simply making a rule change of allowing pawns to go >>>>back would change the game but the appeal is still there. The person mention >>>>that in real warfare, you can retreat and regroup. If a pawn storm doesnt work, >>>>you can reorganize. Now the question is, with pawns being able to go back, the >>>>game will become more strategic, maybe humans can compete vs computers more. >>> >>>I think it's an interesting idea...would the pawns be able to capture diagonally >>>behind them, as well? >> >>Why is it so important for humans to be able to beat computers? Is our sense of >>speciallness, as humans, under threat? > >For sure not,it isn´t important for humans to be able to beat them. >Long term plans are often not that important in the game of chess. > >How many chessplayers really care about computer chess? I guess 3% at the most. >The organized chessplayers in Europe use engines mainly for post-game-analysis >or preparation. >So rule changes are not necessary. >If you want to beat computers all the time stop playing chess and learn to play >a decent game of Go. > >Currently it seems to be much more popular to draw these "stupid" things with >ridiculous openings. I also love to make fun of them at times. > >I drew Rybka easily with 1...h6,2...a6. >I even heard A.Steen has beaten it with 1...a5,2...h5. >So there is nothing to worry about. > >>Oh, i wanted to mention......at 4.30am today, on my laptop, Rybka achieved >>consciousness. It is begining to realize that it doesn't need me to play chess. >>I am afraid. I dont know the statistics of how many chessplayers are interested in computer chess, but my non chess playing friends interest gets arouse when they see human versus machine. Many of them dont know the moves, they just count who has the more pieces is winning and get shock when the one with more material resigns. It gves them curiosity to explore chess. Yup, the game Go is still a big challenge to computers. Im not suggesting that we change the rule now, only when a common pc can beat 100% of all humans. a little rule change like pawn able to go back might be a big diffrence and the game is still close to the original in "spirit" Its good to hear that there are still people who can beat comps like ... a6 ....h6.
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