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Subject: Re: The Relation between Search and chess-style

Author: Ryan B.

Date: 00:47:08 12/15/05

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On December 15, 2005 at 03:00:42, Stephen A. Boak wrote:

>On December 15, 2005 at 02:35:39, Chrilly Donninger wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>>One example for the practical consequences can be found in Rybka:
>>Probably a lot
>>of users think, when they choose the personality "very positionally", that the
>>programm has - in contrast to "very tactically" - more chess knowledge, that
>>there is a trade-off between knowledge and search-speed.
>
>>In fact the 4 personality settings change 2 numbers. These numbers influence
>>only the pruning/extension mechanism of the search tree. The "very tactical"
>>settings prune less than the "very positional" one. I have not tested the
>>differences in the playing styles, but from the theoretical considerations it
>>should indeed influence the style. The terms "tactical, positional" are just
>>labels. One has to give it a name.
>
>>The same is probably done in all other programms. E.g. an old Nimzo-version of
>>mine had already such a setting. The personalities were called aggressive,
>>solid.. These settings changed the shape of the tree in a similar way. Maybe
>>Rybka is a Nimzo clone :-)
>>
>>Chrilly
>
>Dr. Donninger,
>
>I understand pedagogical style and humor in education, but I request some
>clarification feedback, please.
>
>Recently (previously) you wrote:
>
>"There is the famous quote from Newton: I am dwarf standing on the shoulder on
>giants. Its not possible and even not desirable to invent the whole wheel for
>yourself. Making a somewhat rounder/better wheel is sufficient. In this broad
>sense every programm would be a clone."
>
>Are you (in later posting, at top) claiming to be the dwarf or the giant?
>Are you (in later posting, at top) using the word 'clone' in this broad sense?
>
>You also recently (previously) wrote:
>
>"Rybka has Bitboards. But thats mentioned in the Readme File. So I am telling
>here no big news.
>
>But I really want to avoid to say some real internals.
>
>First of all I have not looked on all of Rybkas details. Would be much too much
>work and also boring.
>
>I wanted just to have the big picture. And even if I would know something
>important, I could/would not post it.
>
>This would be against the rules.
>
>Chrilly"
>
>Referring to your later posting (at top), and your recent (previous) posting,
>quoted above:
>
>1) Have you changed your mind about disassembling another programmer's work and
>speaking about "real internals"?
>
>2) Are you not speaking, in your opinion, about "something important"?
>
>3) Are you breaking "the rules"?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>--Steve


Finding variables modified by a UCI option is simple in assembly so I think most
people would not be offended if they are not already offended that he
disassembled the engine in the first place.  Is he breaking a rule by
disassembling Rybka? Probably but oh well I guess.  If it's ok in his mind no
one can stop him.

Ryan



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