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Subject: Re: gambit fruit 1 4bx beats fritz 9 in a gambit test (n=44); rybka kills

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:29:46 12/17/05

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On December 17, 2005 at 04:14:32, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:

>Test is on a pentium 4 with a sample of 22 gambits across the eco codes (engine
>forced to play both sides). Time was 25 minutes with 1 sec increment
>
>Fritz 9 had 14 wins, 18 loses, 12 draws
>
>This may be a notable drop in performance for fritz 9. For example, the CEGT
>blitz (40 4), using more standard test sets, has fritz 9 well in front of gambit
>fruit both head to head (15 wins 8 loses 7 draws) and in terms of rating (fritz
>9 has 100 points on gambit fruit). There are differences between these
>tournments, other than the test set, but I think these findings do suggest that
>maybe fritz 9 loses a little strength against gambits?  Is it possible that
>fritz 9 was tuned on the nunn test sets?
>
>In defense of fritz 9 (and much more data is needed anyway to make firm
>conclusions), it is the only engine that is keeping pace with rybka in a gambit
>tournment (same test set, 25 1 time, pentium 3 processor). Here are the interim
>results at about the the half way point (except for gambit fruit which is
>finished)
>
>Rybka versus
>
>                     win    loss   draw
>gambit fruit 1 4bx    20      11    13
>fruit 2.2.1           10      3     8
>fritz 9                8      10    3
>toga II 1.1           10      6     5
>spike 1. 0 mainz      14      0     7   (still no losses! wow)
>ruffian 2.1            13     2     5
>
>
>In general, it looks like fritz 9 holds its own against rybka in head to head
>contests, but is not as good against fruit and some other engines (see
>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/eloblitz.html#3). Indeed, rybka seems to be
>killing fruit .
>
>
>Any thoughts or implications? Rybka is suppose to be heavily strategic, but it
>really is fantastic at Blitz and gambits.
>
>best joseph
>
>ps. If anybody wants to do the gambit test on hiarcs ten, or on whatever engine,
>i'd be happy to post the test set (I am going to expand it by 8 gambits)...The
>games are absolutely fascinating.
>
>
>best
>Joseph

Does the side that sacrifice in the gambit get near 50% less than it or more
than it?

Note that if it get near 50% without too many draws then I think that it is
better if the CEGT also include the gambit in their tournament because a score
that is near 50% means that the position is balanced.

Uri



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