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Subject: Re: Statistics of the 5 new openings in my ratinglist

Author: Per Jørgensen

Date: 07:03:11 12/17/05

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On December 17, 2005 at 08:49:09, Dagh Nielsen wrote:

>On December 17, 2005 at 07:36:20, Per Jørgensen wrote:
>
>>Hello Chesscomputerfriends!
>>
>>As I described in this Forum on the 15th of December and earlier I'm making a
>>new Ratinglist based on 15 openingpositions. 10 of these are known from the
>>CSS-Ranglist (for further information check this website www.computerschach.de),
>>here are the 5 new openingpositions:
>>
>>C30 = Kings Gambit (1.e4,e5 2.f4)
>>
>>E17 = Queenindian (1.d4,Sf6 2.c4,e6 3.Sf3,b6 4.g3,Lb7 5.Lg2,Le7)
>>
>>B02 = Scandinavian (1.e4,d5 2.exd5)
>>
>>D35 = Orthodox Queens Gambit (1.d4,d5 2.c4,e6 3.Sc3,Sf6)
>>
>>A57 = Modern Ben Oni (1.d4,Sf6 2.c4,c5 3.d5)
>>
>>450 Games are played so far. It's time to see how the new openingpositions are
>>doing and which engines who are performing best in each opening. Here comes the
>>current dates:
>>
>>Kings Gambit: White-score: 40% Black-score: 60%
>>Queenindian: White-score: 46,67% Black-score: 53,33%
>>Ben Oni: White-score: 65% Black-score: 35%
>>Scandinavian: White-score: 56,67% Black-score: 43,33%
>>Orthodox Queens Gambit: White-score: 56,67% Black-score 43,33%
>>
>>And here you can see which engine made the highest score so far in each opening:
>>
>>WHITE:
>>
>>Kings Gambit: Fritz 9 70%
>>Queenindian: Toga II 1.1 80%
>>Ben Oni: Fritz 9 100%(!)
>>Scandinavian: Toga II 1.1 80%
>>Orthodox Queens Gambit: Fritz 9 and Fruit 2.2.1 each 70%
>>
>>BLACK:
>>
>>Kings Gambit: Shredder 9 90%
>>Queenindian: Fruit 2.2.1 and Shredder 9 each 80%
>>Ben Oni: Fritz 9 70%
>>Scandinavian: Ktulu 7.5 70%
>>Orthodox Queens Gambit: Shredder 9 70%
>>
>>I don't see any big surprises in these statistis dates with the exception of
>>Ktulu 7.5's great performance with the black pieces in Scandinavian. It's also
>>worth mentioning the dominant position of Fritz 9 in Ben Oni (a total score of
>>85%).
>>
>>The Spike 1.0a Mainz test have been running for a couple of days and so far
>>Spike is having a hard time. The current score is around 38% and very close to
>>that of Loop List. The test will be done in app. 5 days and I'll post the result
>>and the new ranking here in the forum. After that the Hiarcs 10 test will start.
>>
>>Best regards
>>Per
>
>Hello Per, thanks for your careful information.
>
>I included the Benoni as Black for some time in my Playchess book, playing with
>Fruit. It was also my experience that Fritz 9 (and Schredder 9) was very good as
>White in this opening. Also, it was striking that in this opening, difference
>between Fruit evaluation and Fritz 9 evaluation was often very big, like +0.2 vs
>+1.3. To me, it seemed like Fritz 9 (and Schredder 9) was able to give a bonus
>for white due to more space/superior pawn structure, while Fruit acted more like
>a bean counter in this opening.
>
>A comment about test position scores:
>
>Ideally, I would aim for test positions that:
>
>(1) Score close to 50%.
>(2) Have a relatively low draw score (=interesting positions).
>
>In both instances, the point would be not to give "free" points to the weaker
>engine. In light of (2), you may want to provide statistics for the 1-0/½-½/0-1
>scores of the different positions.
>
>I see no problem if black scores slightly better, positions are played from both
>sides anyway (so, in a sense, test positions are color neutral).
>
>Regards,
>Dagh Nielsen

Hello Dagh!

Thanks for your reply and interest in my testwork. Basicly I agree with you but
it is hard, almost difficult to obtain a close to 50% score for all selected
openingpositions. Still, I'm glad that white after all have managed to score 40%
in Kings Gambit (just a couple of years ago the score would have been much
lower) and with the exception of Ben Oni all the new openingpositions are quite
close to 50%. Regarding the variation of results (1-0,0-1,½-½) it looks like
this for the moment:

Kings Gambit: White 40% Black 60%, White: 9 6 15 Black: 15 6 9
Queenindian: White 46,67% Black 53,33%, White: 13 2 15 Black: 15 2 13
Ben Oni: White 65% Black 35%, White: 16 7 7 Black: 7 7 16
Scandinavian: White 56,67% Black 43,33%, White: 11 12 7 Black: 7 12 11
Orthodox Queens Gambit: White 56,67% Black 43,33%, White: 13 8 9 Black: 9 8 13

It's a bit surprising that Queenindian so far only resulted in 2 draws while
Scandinavian at the moment has a quite high drawrate. Still, my testwork is
quite young and the figures will probably change as more engines are tested.

Best regards
Per





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