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Subject: best way is just to wait and wait and wait the engine strategic ideas

Author: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Date: 14:01:11 12/19/05

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Hello Sune.

For my own experience, to beat an engine, where human beingt is  playing without
his own Queen, down of a queen,  across a sacrifice in d7 is a novelty.

Now ....... What the diference  in a d3 line sacrifice and a d7 is ?

For me is more simple to beat Top chess computer engines, where the human being
has not the Queen, making the sacrifice in d3.

But there is a commun point here ..... the Queen must be change for the bishop
from inside queen of the oponent.

Human beings only must move the pawns if this is necesary ........ best way is
just to wait and wait and wait the engine strategic ideas develoment.

Best,

Pablo





On December 19, 2005 at 10:36:07, Sune Larsson wrote:

>On December 19, 2005 at 09:20:31, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>
>>[D]rn1qkb1r/ppp1pppp/5n2/3p4/3P4/2PbP3/PP3PPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 5
>>
>>[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
>>[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
>>[Date "2005.12.19"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Father"]
>>[Black "Matrix_"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[ECO "A45"]
>>[WhiteElo "1957"]
>>[BlackElo "2699"]
>>[Annotator "Restrepo,Pablo"]
>>[PlyCount "220"]
>>[EventDate "2005.09.04"]
>>[TimeControl "180"]
>>
>>1. d4 {1} Nf6 {0} 2. e3 {0} d5 {0} 3. c3 {0} Bf5 {0} 4. Qd3 {1} Bxd3 {11} 5.
>>Bxd3 {-5.27/11 0} e6 {79} 6. f4 {-5.21/10 0} Nc6 {3} 7. Nf3 {-5.27/8 0} g6 {
>>-5.21/7 3} 8. O-O {0} Be7 {3} 9. Re1 {-5.21/7 0} Ng8 {10} 10. Nbd2 {-5.27/8 0}
>>Nh6 {3} 11. Nf1 {-5.21/7 0} Nf5 {-5.21/7 5} 12. Re2 {1} O-O {-5.21/5 0} 13. Kh1
>>{2} Nh4 {-5.21/7 4} 14. N1d2 {3} Nxf3 {4} 15. Nxf3 {-5.39/9 0} Qd7 {-5.33/7 2}
>>16. Kg1 {1} Kg7 {-5.33/7 2} 17. Nd2 {1} Bf6 {-5.33/7 9} 18. Nf1 {0} h5 {
>>-5.33/7 5} 19. Bd2 {1} b6 {-5.39/7 1} 20. Be1 {1} h4 {-5.33/7 4} 21. Bd2 {1} a5
>>{-5.39/7 3} 22. Kh1 {1} Kh7 {-5.39/7 1} 23. Kg1 {1} Rfb8 {-5.33/7 0} 24. Kh1 {2
>>} Rh8 {-5.33/7 6} 25. Kg1 {1} Kg7 {-5.39/6 0} 26. Kh1 {1} h3 {-5.39/6 1} 27. g3
>>{1} a4 {-5.39/6 0} 28. a3 {2} Na5 {-5.39/6 0} 29. Be1 {2} Nc4 {-5.33/7 0} 30.
>>Ra2 {7} Be7 {-5.39/8 0} 31. Nd2 {5} Nxd2 {-5.49/7 1} 32. Bxd2 {1} Qc6 {
>>-5.49/7 2} 33. Ra1 {3} g5 {-5.49/7 1} 34. Rf1 {4} g4 {-5.49/7 1} 35. Bc1 {5}
>>Rad8 {-5.49/6 0} 36. Rff2 {1} f5 {-5.55/6 0} 37. Kg1 {1} Ra8 {-5.55/6 0} 38.
>>Rc2 {2} Kg6 {-5.55/6 0} 39. Kf1 {1} Qd7 {-5.55/6 0} 40. Kg1 {0} c5 {-5.55/6 0}
>>41. Kf1 {2} Bf6 {-5.55/7 0} 42. Bd2 {3} c4 {-5.55/6 0} 43. Be2 {2} Qd6 {
>>-5.49/7 0} 44. Bc1 {1} Rh7 {-5.55/6 0} 45. Bd1 {1} Rg8 {-5.55/6 0} 46. Kg1 {1}
>>Rf8 {-5.55/6 0} 47. Kf1 {0} Rc7 {-5.55/6 0} 48. Kg1 {1} Qc6 {-5.55/6 0} 49. Kf1
>>{1} Qb5 {-5.55/6 0} 50. Kg1 {1} Ra8 {-5.55/9 0} 51. Kf1 {1} Rf7 {-5.55/6 0} 52.
>>Kg1 {0} Rc8 {-5.55/6 0} 53. Kf1 {0} Be7 {-5.55/6 0} 54. Kg1 {0} Rg7 {-5.55/6 0}
>>55. Kh1 {0} Bd6 {-5.55/6 0} 56. Kg1 {0} Rd7 {-5.55/6 0} 57. Kh1 {0} Rh8 {
>>-5.55/6 0} 58. Kg1 {0} Rf7 {-8.11/3 0} 59. Kh1 {0} Qc6 {-5.55/6 0} 60. Kg1 {0}
>>b5 {0.01/0 0} 61. Kf1 {1} Qb6 {0.01/0 0} 62. Kg1 {0} Rc8 {0.01/0 0} 63. Kf1 {0}
>>Rh7 {0.01/0 0} 64. Kg1 {0} Rd7 {0.01/0 0} 65. Kf1 {2} Rf7 {0.01/0 0} 66. Kg1 {0
>>} Rh7 {0.01/0 0} 67. Kf1 {0} Rd7 {0.01/0 0} 68. Kg1 {1} Rh8 {0.01/0 0} 69. Kf1
>>{0} Qc6 {0.01/0 0} 70. Kg1 {0} Ra7 {0.01/0 0} 71. Kf1 {0} Rf7 {0.01/0 0} 72.
>>Kg1 {0} Qb6 {0.01/0 0} 73. Kf1 {0} Rd7 {0.01/0 0} 74. Kg1 {0} Qc6 {0.01/0 0}
>>75. Kf1 {0} Ra7 {0.01/0 0} 76. Kg1 {0} Rd8 {0.01/0 0} 77. Kf1 {0} Rh7 {0.01/0 0
>>} 78. Kg1 {0} Re8 {0.01/0 0} 79. Kf1 {0} Qb6 {0.01/0 0} 80. Kg1 {1} Reh8 {
>>-5.49/7 0} 81. Kf1 {1} Ra8 {0.01/0 0} 82. Kg1 {1} Qa7 {-5.49/7 0} 83. Kf1 {0}
>>Rc8 {0.01/0 0} 84. Kg1 {0} Qa5 {0.01/0 0} 85. Kf1 {1} Rf7 {0.01/0 0} 86. Kg1 {0
>>} Rd7 {0.01/0 0} 87. Kh1 {0} Qb6 {0.01/0 0} 88. Kg1 {0} Ra7 {0.01/0 0} 89. Kh1
>>{0} Rh7 {0.01/0 0} 90. Kg1 {0} Re8 {0.01/0 0} 91. Kh1 {1} Qc6 {0.01/0 0} 92.
>>Kg1 {1} Rd8 {0.01/0 0} 93. Kh1 {0} Rf7 {0.01/0 0} 94. Kg1 {0} Kh5 {-5.49/7 0}
>>95. Kh1 {1} Rg8 {0.01/0 0} 96. Kg1 {0} Kg6 {0.01/0 0} 97. Kh1 {0} Rh8 {0.01/0 0
>>} 98. Kg1 {0} Rd8 {0.01/0 0} 99. Kh1 {0} Rh7 {0.01/0 0} 100. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {
>>0.01/0 0} 101. Kh1 {0} Qb6 {0.01/0 0} 102. Kg1 {0} Rd8 {0.01/0 0} 103. Kh1 {1}
>>Re8 {0.01/0 0} 104. Kg1 {1} Rf7 {0.01/0 0} 105. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {0.01/0 0} 106. Kg1
>>{0} Qc6 {0.01/0 0} 107. Kh1 {0} Re8 {0.01/0 0} 108. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {0.01/0 0} 109.
>>Kh1 {1} Rh7 {0.01/0 0} 110. Kg1 {0} Qb6 {(Lag: Av=0.65s, max=11.6s) 0.01/0 0}
>>1/2-1/2
>
>
> What do you consider be the chessy difference between the game above
> and this game?  http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?471457
>
> /S



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